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Firetrap
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04-29-2011 14:43 |
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Paranoia
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04-29-2011 15:07 |
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FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Paranoia
Dodge is capped at 25% last i checked and you can reach that with with the twisted set
the 2 best collectors i have seen are cesarz (undisputed) and nndugnu (biggest pain in my rectum attack kit ever)... if you want to know more about it speak to them
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Wrong. Dodge is higher. But a twisted set is nearly the only set for a gangster. As solar takes off all defence. Iv been trying gangster for years lol
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04-29-2011 15:14 |
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FlashAOD
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Hawks is good but more expensive. It gives perc and dmg. But twisted gibes perc and dmg
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04-29-2011 15:24 |
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FlashAOD
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I'm doing it that way. I'm assassin building up a gangster gear fir ab eventual change
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I think you would be intersted this:Gangster
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04-29-2011 16:26 |
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FlashAOD
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I have always said hunters of speed and nobody listens. They say you will have 0 crit but the tattoo has 0 crit anyway and the speed will give the 4 attacks back the gunman tattoo gives. And will also give extra perc
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Undivisible
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Originally posted by ilovelhx
P+1 runic kilt on gangster? seriously? Gangster has max. 50 defense cap on head and legs so pointless without solar set (with solar set defense from runic = 0)
Twisted set is also pointless on Gangster due to max. 30% dodge cap.
Imho best mid lvl Gangster build is:
P. Bandana of Caution / Precognition (+1)
P. Cape of Speed (+1)
P. Kilt (blank) / Sun / Shepard (+1)
and Solar set (preffered P. +1)
Dodge from tatto combined with Thoughtcatchers Majesty gies you all the survival you need. |
True, that's a very good setup, hawks set of jewellery could be used as an alternative if someone want's to retain defence, and have reputation necessary for attacks. I was also thinking about getting P+1 deadly items(sufixed with all the best stuff) + titanium set of bat/talent which would be good for defending due to high charisma bonuses.
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Rightyo my old pride the gangster, I wish I'd not sodded up with Raxis.
If you do it based on averages then the dodge balances out vs gunman.
Hunter's and speed is a great combo, but I preferred Hunter's with a damage pump suffix. Hawks is a gangster dream -nearly said paradise- And twisted isn't bad. Focus on two set ups, one being a tank set up, the other a damage dealer
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Undivisible
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Originally posted by Noumenon
twisted isn't bad |
Twisted is bad, most of it's potential is wasted if it's used by Gangster because: http://wiki.bloodwars.net/index.php?title=Effects#Dodge
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Dodge
Maximum dodge is 30%
* dodge ±x % - decreases your opponent's chance to hit you. It is included directly in chance to hit resulting from hit parameter of weapons and parameters of both characters.
* dodge against guns ±x % - ditto, but applies to guns.
* dodge against melee weapons ±x % - ditto, but applies to melee weapons.
* dodge against ranged weapons ±x % - ditto, but applies to ranged weapons. |
stones spent on twisted could be used in a much more efficient way.
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04-29-2011 19:14 |
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FlashAOD
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Twisted isn't bad. The dodge is capped but it still gives dmg and perc and maxs out your dodge.
Hawks is a good choice for dmg and perc aswell
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04-30-2011 14:06 |
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Paranoia
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just thought id add this in here while everyone is moaning about 30% dodge....
Urchin`s senses
LEVEL 1: 1000 PoP, 1 bloodstone
Traits: dodge +5 %
LEVEL 2: 2000 PoP, 1 heartstone
Traits: dodge +10 %
LEVEL 3: 3000 PoP, 1 lifestone
Traits: dodge +15 %
LEVEL 4: 4000 PoP, 1 mergestone
Traits: dodge +20 %
LEVEL 5: 5000 PoP, 1 soulstone
Traits: dodge +25 %
Good Hawk`s Bracelet (+5) CLOSE
Ring
Effects: CHARISMA +14, REPUTATION +6, PERCEPTION +18, chance to hit with melee weapons -31, damage of all weapons increased by 1 for every 4 levels, dodge +6 %
25% + 6% =31%... hawks set is the best choice over twisted as it maxes your dodge , gives massive damage and sexy perc + rep
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04-30-2011 14:34 |
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Bulletproof give only toughness, the dodge bonus from full set you can't use because twisted have already 25% dodge
you can use Bloody set... you gain at good:
+11 HP per hit (8hit*11hp=88 HP per round)
armor and shorts give defence
shorts give light reputation
most important is bonus - 20 perception
for armor, xxx cape of assassins from beginning and after that go for speed, death sower or orchid need too much strength and you don't have it..
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04-30-2011 17:37 |
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Grizly
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I just realize:
the dodge is like critical hits, there is difference of the stats...
and if you have 80 perception and the opponent have 100 perception the dodge is ~0, and if you have +30% dodge is like you have 80*1.3=104 perception and now you have a lite more chance to dodge...
i am right or it's calculate some other way ?
if i am right then you can have +80% plus to chance for dodge but final result of dodge calculating must be no more that 30%
can someone explain the dodge calculating with understandably words
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Think its actually differenet as a % dodge gives dodges and feints and a hitting stats dodge is just a dodge
Think its basically 30% dodge is say 100 attacks against you 30 theoretically* should be dodges and feints.
* Theoretically due to RnG being nice or nasty ofcourse
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04-30-2011 21:31 |
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ilovelhx
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Originally posted by Paranoia
just thought id add this in here while everyone is moaning about 30% dodge....
Urchin`s senses
LEVEL 1: 1000 PoP, 1 bloodstone
Traits: dodge +5 %
LEVEL 2: 2000 PoP, 1 heartstone
Traits: dodge +10 %
LEVEL 3: 3000 PoP, 1 lifestone
Traits: dodge +15 %
LEVEL 4: 4000 PoP, 1 mergestone
Traits: dodge +20 %
LEVEL 5: 5000 PoP, 1 soulstone
Traits: dodge +25 %
Good Hawk`s Bracelet (+5) CLOSE
Ring
Effects: CHARISMA +14, REPUTATION +6, PERCEPTION +18, chance to hit with melee weapons -31, damage of all weapons increased by 1 for every 4 levels, dodge +6 %
25% + 6% =31%... hawks set is the best choice over twisted as it maxes your dodge , gives massive damage and sexy perc + rep |
it's 6% dodge (but only 5% working) and 1 dmg / 4 lvl (from Hawk's) -vs- 2 attacks per weapon and +13 dmg (from solar)
imo Solars > Hawk's in every way
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04-30-2011 22:25 |
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FlashAOD
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Originally posted by ilovelhx
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Originally posted by Paranoia
just thought id add this in here while everyone is moaning about 30% dodge....
Urchin`s senses
LEVEL 1: 1000 PoP, 1 bloodstone
Traits: dodge +5 %
LEVEL 2: 2000 PoP, 1 heartstone
Traits: dodge +10 %
LEVEL 3: 3000 PoP, 1 lifestone
Traits: dodge +15 %
LEVEL 4: 4000 PoP, 1 mergestone
Traits: dodge +20 %
LEVEL 5: 5000 PoP, 1 soulstone
Traits: dodge +25 %
Good Hawk`s Bracelet (+5) CLOSE
Ring
Effects: CHARISMA +14, REPUTATION +6, PERCEPTION +18, chance to hit with melee weapons -31, damage of all weapons increased by 1 for every 4 levels, dodge +6 %
25% + 6% =31%... hawks set is the best choice over twisted as it maxes your dodge , gives massive damage and sexy perc + rep |
it's 6% dodge (but only 5% working) and 1 dmg / 4 lvl (from Hawk's) -vs- 2 attacks per weapon and +13 dmg (from solar)
imo Solars > Hawk's in every way |
Why loose out on defence when having solar. Gangster is defence tattoo
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05-01-2011 01:52 |
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Grizly
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ilovelhx - you forgot about reputation... in attack is very nice +1000HP
amulet at G+5 - REPUTATION +21
ring at G+2 - REPUTATION +7
at perfect set you have ~35 bonus to reputation - nice bost
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05-01-2011 09:56 |
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ilovelhx
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Originally posted by Paranoia
well i personally like this sexy item
Perfect Hawk`s Chain (+1) CLOSE
Amulet
Effects: CHARISMA -5, REPUTATION +46, PERCEPTION +24, chance to hit with melee weapons -42, damage of all weapons increased by 1 for every 4 levels, dodge +6 %
.... rep is great and hawks does helpp more than solar in expos against high def mobs... whats the point in 2 extra attacks if there only hitting for 2 damage? |
joke right? ;]
80 lvl Gangster with Solar -vs- Gangster with Hawk's on expo / siege with my item setup
Solar:
Dmg 4 dmg / 4 lvl (Kilt / Cape / Bandana / Tatoo) = 80 dmg
18 dmg from Wisdom
9 dmg Tatoo
avarage 30 dmg from Scorpion
avarage 6 dmg from bandana
20 dmg form Majesty
13 dmg from Solar
18 attacks (10 scorpions / 4 speed / 4 solar)
Avarage 228 x 18 (dmg / per round)
Hawk's:
Dmg 5 dmg / 4 lvl
18 dmg from Wisdom
9 dmg Tatoo
avarage 30 dmg from Scorpion
avarage 6 dmg from bandana
20 dmg form Majesty
14 attacks
Avarage 237 x 14 (dmg / per round)
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05-01-2011 13:03 |
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FlashAOD
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Originally posted by ilovelhx
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Originally posted by Paranoia
well i personally like this sexy item
Perfect Hawk`s Chain (+1) CLOSE
Amulet
Effects: CHARISMA -5, REPUTATION +46, PERCEPTION +24, chance to hit with melee weapons -42, damage of all weapons increased by 1 for every 4 levels, dodge +6 %
.... rep is great and hawks does helpp more than solar in expos against high def mobs... whats the point in 2 extra attacks if there only hitting for 2 damage? |
joke right? ;]
80 lvl Gangster with Solar -vs- Gangster with Hawk's on expo / siege with my item setup
Solar:
Dmg 4 dmg / 4 lvl (Kilt / Cape / Bandana / Tatoo) = 80 dmg
18 dmg from Wisdom
9 dmg Tatoo
avarage 30 dmg from Scorpion
avarage 6 dmg from bandana
20 dmg form Majesty
13 dmg from Solar
18 attacks (10 scorpions / 4 speed / 4 solar)
Avarage 228 x 18 (dmg / per round)
Hawk's:
Dmg 5 dmg / 4 lvl
18 dmg from Wisdom
9 dmg Tatoo
avarage 30 dmg from Scorpion
avarage 6 dmg from bandana
20 dmg form Majesty
14 attacks
Avarage 237 x 14 (dmg / per round) |
To be fair i think your the joke here how can you give an average damage when your not compairing players? you have NO idea what a full gangster with the right eqe can do because nobody on here has done it yet, everybody goes gunman because they see +2 attacks from the tattoos and nobody wants to try anything new, they see what Diablo used to do and everybodys like OH EM GEE M8 I LUV DIABLO AND HIZ GUNZ CAN I PLOX B LIEK HIM NAOW?!
Not a rip into Diablo he was a clear epic gunman, im just saying here everybody seems to go for the easy option here and gangster is NOT an easy option to do right
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05-01-2011 13:10 |
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Undivisible
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05-01-2011 13:38 |
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FlashAOD
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nowhere.
every clan claims to help the smaller players but none actually do
unless you make friends with a few people
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05-02-2011 15:53 |
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dooz
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gangster have two advantages over gunman:
Dodge and being able to have nice defense. Equipping solar takes away one of those advantages, if you want nice solar set and guns, make gunman instead.
Hawks packs all a gangster need, huge perception, reputation and damage bonus and even amplifies your major advantage dodge. For a gangster twisted set is like poor-mans version of hawk's.
Titanium jewelry is what you want to use when ambushing melee players, and for expos where you can get enough perception from other items. Titanium suffixed with pilgrim on neck and wisdom on fingers have nice damage boost also:
Perfect Titanium Tie of the Pilgrim
Amulet (Only for males)
Effects: CHARISMA +29, REPUTATION +3, APPEARANCE +10, STRENGTH +20, TOUGHNESS +21, KNOWLEDGE +23, STRENGTH +11, TOUGHNESS +31
Requirements: LEVEL: 85 (126), STRENGTH: 22 (32), APPEARANCE: 85 (126), CHARISMA: 31 (46)
Value: 42 800 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1195, Mana 4092
Perfect Titanium Bracelet of Wisdom (+1)
Ring
Effects: CHARISMA +33, REPUTATION -3, STRENGTH +11, character defence +23, KNOWLEDGE +17, STRENGTH +11, TOUGHNESS +31
Requirements: LEVEL: 70 (104), STRENGTH: 23 (33), APPEARANCE: 76 (113)
Value: 30 900 Lgo
Value: Nanites 835, Mana 3081
Total 57 knowledge ~ 19 damage thats the same damage bonus you get from hawks when you are level 76
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No doubt as thoughtcatcher-gangster you can make a build that will be very hard to take down. Although i think TC is more suited for gunman, gunman have 1 disadvantage they are very fragile, majesty solves this issue and damage bonus is worth more on a gunman than on an gangster, ie more attacks means more benefit from bonus
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Originally posted by dooz
gangster have two advantages over gunman:
Dodge and being able to have nice defense. Equipping solar takes away one of those advantages, if you want nice solar set and guns, make gunman instead.
Hawks packs all a gangster need, huge perception, reputation and damage bonus and even amplifies your major advantage dodge. For a gangster twisted set is like poor-mans version of hawk's.
Titanium jewelry is what you want to use when ambushing melee players, and for expos where you can get enough perception from other items. Titanium suffixed with pilgrim on neck and wisdom on fingers have nice damage boost also:
Perfect Titanium Tie of the Pilgrim
Amulet (Only for males)
Effects: CHARISMA +29, REPUTATION +3, APPEARANCE +10, STRENGTH +20, TOUGHNESS +21, KNOWLEDGE +23, STRENGTH +11, TOUGHNESS +31
Requirements: LEVEL: 85 (126), STRENGTH: 22 (32), APPEARANCE: 85 (126), CHARISMA: 31 (46)
Value: 42 800 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1195, Mana 4092
Perfect Titanium Bracelet of Wisdom (+1)
Ring
Effects: CHARISMA +33, REPUTATION -3, STRENGTH +11, character defence +23, KNOWLEDGE +17, STRENGTH +11, TOUGHNESS +31
Requirements: LEVEL: 70 (104), STRENGTH: 23 (33), APPEARANCE: 76 (113)
Value: 30 900 Lgo
Value: Nanites 835, Mana 3081
Total 57 knowledge ~ 19 damage thats the same damage bonus you get from hawks when you are level 76
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No doubt as thoughtcatcher-gangster you can make a build that will be very hard to take down. Although i think TC is more suited for gunman, gunman have 1 disadvantage they are very fragile, majesty solves this issue and damage bonus is worth more on a gunman than on an gangster, ie more attacks means more benefit from bonus |
Thanks for advice on equip, them items are nice but way outta my league for now but somet to aim for. What abouts tats, Would you say go gangster rather than collector?
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05-03-2011 13:42 |
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Paranoia
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Originally posted by Warlord
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Originally posted by dooz
gangster have two advantages over gunman:
Dodge and being able to have nice defense. Equipping solar takes away one of those advantages, if you want nice solar set and guns, make gunman instead.
Hawks packs all a gangster need, huge perception, reputation and damage bonus and even amplifies your major advantage dodge. For a gangster twisted set is like poor-mans version of hawk's.
Titanium jewelry is what you want to use when ambushing melee players, and for expos where you can get enough perception from other items. Titanium suffixed with pilgrim on neck and wisdom on fingers have nice damage boost also:
Perfect Titanium Tie of the Pilgrim
Amulet (Only for males)
Effects: CHARISMA +29, REPUTATION +3, APPEARANCE +10, STRENGTH +20, TOUGHNESS +21, KNOWLEDGE +23, STRENGTH +11, TOUGHNESS +31
Requirements: LEVEL: 85 (126), STRENGTH: 22 (32), APPEARANCE: 85 (126), CHARISMA: 31 (46)
Value: 42 800 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1195, Mana 4092
Perfect Titanium Bracelet of Wisdom (+1)
Ring
Effects: CHARISMA +33, REPUTATION -3, STRENGTH +11, character defence +23, KNOWLEDGE +17, STRENGTH +11, TOUGHNESS +31
Requirements: LEVEL: 70 (104), STRENGTH: 23 (33), APPEARANCE: 76 (113)
Value: 30 900 Lgo
Value: Nanites 835, Mana 3081
Total 57 knowledge ~ 19 damage thats the same damage bonus you get from hawks when you are level 76
/Edit:
No doubt as thoughtcatcher-gangster you can make a build that will be very hard to take down. Although i think TC is more suited for gunman, gunman have 1 disadvantage they are very fragile, majesty solves this issue and damage bonus is worth more on a gunman than on an gangster, ie more attacks means more benefit from bonus |
Thanks for advice on equip, them items are nice but way outta my league for now but somet to aim for. What abouts tats, Would you say go gangster rather than collector? |
erm.... arent you 2000+ points mr warlord?
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