Official Blood Wars Board | Print: Patch 1.1

Posted by Evil-Eoin on 01-16-2008 at14:01:

Indeed. But let's see shall anything be done about it when it is of no benefit to the big guns. Szeszej? A chance to help the small guys. At least consider this please...

Posted by nukematty on 01-16-2008 at15:17:

i agree that the lower and mid level ppl should get some support and i think the the devs are discriminating ppl who are non-poles
PS- sry for my spelling it crap but who cares

Posted by Pat on 01-18-2008 at02:16:

So us little people get ignored , pity the patch does nothing to give us something to enjoy . I am a patient soul so one day all this might apply to me and the rest of us lesser souls ( if it makes it to the other servers ) . Never mind will keep plodding on and see what happens , hope the top 50 or so enjoy all the hard work . I am sure my words will be either ignored or picked apart but it might be nice to throw the " little ones " a crumb or two , might stop so many leaving once they have grown tired of the seemingly one sided nature that some parts of this game have .

Posted by Evil-Eoin on 01-18-2008 at02:58:

And still we await a reply from the devs...

Posted by Pat on 01-18-2008 at03:08:

I'm not suggesting that it becomes a level playing field as that would give no incentive to progress , but a patch should address the problems thus far encountered and not merely be a sop to those who have shown loyalty as even those players who've been here the longest will soon run out of reasons to return , if I've gotten hold of entirely the wrong end of the stick then please let me know .

Posted by Evil-Eoin on 01-18-2008 at03:18:

You haven't Wink

Posted by Gendibal on 01-18-2008 at05:32:

You're dead on with that one Pat ..... basically the same thing I've been saying through the forums for the past x months. As for getting a reply from the devs on anything of import, I hope you're ready for the snow alert in Hades, because from what they've shown so far Hell will indeed freeze over before they actually listen to what isn't said in Polish (Apologies if that sounds a little off colour, but after this long a time the polite ways of saying things like that kinda become forced)

Mind you, the subject of listening and replying reminds me ...... maybe 3rd time lucky :

quote:

Originally posted by Gendibal
When are the dev team actually going to start listening to players on Underworld and treating them with the same sort of priority as they give to the Polish server inhabitants? And thats a question I would like SushiMaker or Konrad to answer ...... without trying to dodge the issue.

Posted by dooz on 01-18-2008 at08:56:

Will there be new tasks in Act 2 or will your current task list be transferred?

Posted by Gendibal on 01-18-2008 at11:09:

dooz, Szeszej answered that one earlier, I'll quote his answer Smile

quote:

Originally posted by Szeszej
Some additional information:

The act I and act II vampires will still coexist in the same city. Attacks, sieges and expeditions together are allowed.
To each zone some new tasks will be added.
You'll gain xp faster in A2 (and level requirements won't be lowered)

Another way in which the bigger players gain another advantage again ..... they don't only get super weapons, they also get a higher experience rate.

I'm getting more and more certain that the devs are not actually looking at the balance of the game, or if they are, they're failing dismally to actually address the matter.

Posted by Szeszej on 01-18-2008 at11:11:

That's the bait for making a progress in the game Wink

Posted by Gendibal on 01-18-2008 at11:21:

But only for players over a certain level ........ over the last 6 months, can you tell me how the patches have balanced the game? Or assisted the smaller players in any sort of reasonable proportion to the assistance they've lent to the bigger players? Or show me where any effort has been made by the development team to address the concerns of the majority of forum posting players on any issue that actually matters?

Have there been any improvements made to the game that the Underworld players have actually had a say in?

I would personally say that the answer is 'NO!', but I really hope that I can be proved wrong by Sushi and Konrad ............ preferably before the Underworld game collapses completely.

Posted by laaska on 01-18-2008 at13:37:

Szeszej, maybe someone could translate Akrome's FAQ from polish board and paste it here Smile

BTW. Very good job gentelmen Wink

Posted by Zeruel on 01-18-2008 at17:35:

Patch 1.1 FAQ

#When can I proceed into act 2?

When you reach 50 lvl and finish all pilgrimages.

#Will it be possible to go back if I change my mind?

You won't be able to go back into act 1.

#Can you attack character's from other acts?

Yes

#Can we use items from Act 1 in Act 2?

Yes

#Will the "City overview" be separated for Act 1 and 2? Two different worlds on 1 server?

No, all contacts including ambushes are still available. The only difference is that the character's are stronger and journeys harder.

#What are legendary items?

Those items are extremely rare. You can find them on A2 pilgrimages (1-3% chance of looting)

Legendary items receive 20% discount on the requirements.

You can't put legends on auction.

Upgrading and merging is more expensive

You can merge only 2 LEGENDARY items!

#Can any item be legendary?

Yes

#What are the extra bonuses for legendary items?

Guns 2h - +1 attack, dmg +20%
Guns 1h - character's hit *1,35, dmg +30%
Meele 1h - critic (only for 1 weapon) +10%, dodge +5%
Meele 2h - critic +25%, character's *1,25
Ranged - critical multiplier *5

#Can you put legends is clan armoury?

No

#Will there be any more tasks?

There will be tasks from A1 and few more

#Will we have to start tasks from the beginning?

Completed A1 tasks are also completed in A2

#Is the sequence similar to A1?

No - it is different.

#How much will the difficulty increase?

1 lvl (Easy will become hard, hard -> pilgrimage etc.)

#Can we do quests from A1 when we are in A2?

No.

#Will the completed quests from A2 be counted separately from A1 in character's profile?

Unknown.

#When is the patch going to be implemented?

When we finish it.

#Can we change our race in A2?

No - you'll have an opportunity to "increase your generation" (and receive new powers of your race) or turn into a Cursed Being (new race)

*Of course you must complete a special task before that*

#What are the new arcana?

Arcana:

Beastmaster = +1 attack, 200 BP (max 1 lvl)

Thoughtcatcher = stealing enemy's agents/policemen, on a siege uses xx% from buildings, 100 BP (max 1 lvl)

Absorber = extra expedition arcana.

Cultist= Searing blood, enemy suffers 10 dmg/per lvl, costs 15 BP

#Will we possess our items, stats and lvl after we go to A2?

Yes.

#On which square do we start act 2?

You don't loose your home. The only thing that changes in an "Act"

#Do our new arcana work in A1?

Yes - When we are in A2 and attack someone from A1.

#If I don't make tasks from A1 and go to A2, will I be able to complete them of journey/siege?

Yes, you can make the "journey/siege" type tasks.

#What will happen to my team mate when he/she goes to A2. Is he/she going to be thrown out are disappear?

No

#What is a "Cursed Being"

This is a new race, that we can choose in A2 after completing a special task.

Arcana:

Night Stalker - 1 Perception/20 BP

Death Breath - +7 to dmg when HP<35%, costs 40 BP/lvl

Horror - both sides have 0 reputation and charisma in battle. Character is immune to Punishment and other blocking skills. Costs 80 BP (max 1 lvl)

#What does it mean that "Character is immune to Punishment and other blocking skills."

When we use "Horror" our character won't loose an attack (in all situations)

#Will "Horror" effect our chance to make a successful ambush?
No. Only Hp bonus.

#Is the "Cursed Being's" picture ready?

No

#Can I see it?

NO!

#Does the Cursed Being got any race bonuses (like +20% hp)

Yes (no details)

If I choose a Cursed Being, will I loose any tattoo's?

No

#I fought against xxx and used Death Breath. After my hp decreased and started to be <35% my dmg didn't grow. Why?

It works only when your hp is <35% at the BEGINNING of the round.

#Can I turn back into my old race if being a Cursed Being won't suit me?

No.

#I am an Absorber. I am Absorbing enemy's arcana (lvl 6). My opponent (BM) have used Beast Hide (10) and New Arcane. What happens?

You steal both 6 Beast Hide and extra attack

#What does it mean that Cathers are "stealing enemy's agents/policemen"?

If you attack with 15 agents and the defender has 15 police - our escort turns into 30 Agents.

# What will be Absorbers new powers?

Unknown.

#Is the new cultist Arcane working on the beginning or the ending of each round?

Probably on the beginning but we are not sure.

#Are there going to be sets that give new arcana?

Unknown.

#What does it mean that mobs will be changed?

It means that those to easy to kill will get stronger.

#"Shuriken of Vengeance" Can you tell us more about the changes? It is meant to be very strong so what are you going to do to it?

Unknown.

Posted by diablo on 01-19-2008 at03:51:

Looking forward!

Posted by Evil-Eoin on 01-19-2008 at12:48:

Very much looking forward to it too Smile

However, let me lay a challenge to the devs. You've cleraly spent a lot of time devising a great patch for players over Level 50 only. Can you now spend the same length of time devising a similarly exciting patch for players under Level 50 only. I think it would be to the benefit of all that have an interest in BW...

Posted by nukematty on 01-19-2008 at13:20:

do u really think they will do that cos if they do the ppl over 50 will want another patch if we get on just for the ppl under 50

Posted by Scillage on 01-19-2008 at14:08:

Look, now you have a goal to work towards. You think that a game is good if you just sign up and you get everything presented to you straight away? Well, that is not a good game. A good game is one where you have to work towards things, with a variety of paths along the way. For example in this game you can have a variety of paths like 1h/2h Guns/Melee 2h Ranged and all of the different tatoos. Also there are expeditions that YOU HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS. You can't expect to be able to beat WD at level 20. These things you have to work towards, and you had no problem working towards higher levels until you hear that there is a bigger incentive to work towards higher levels and ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO WORK TOWARDS THE GAMES BETTER FEATURES.

I agree that the game needs something more exciting to begin with, like a lower level expedition or something that you can only start if you are under lvl 12/13 and can only join if you are under level 15/20 for example, but not so that lower levels have everything handed to them on a plate.

Posted by Gendibal on 01-19-2008 at14:37:

quote:

Originally posted by scillage
Look, now you have a goal to work towards. You think that a game is good if you just sign up and you get everything presented to you straight away? Well, that is not a good game. A good game is one where you have to work towards things, with a variety of paths along the way. For example in this game you can have a variety of paths like 1h/2h Guns/Melee 2h Ranged and all of the different tatoos. Also there are expeditions that YOU HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS. You can't expect to be able to beat WD at level 20. These things you have to work towards, and you had no problem working towards higher levels until you hear that there is a bigger incentive to work towards higher levels and ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO WORK TOWARDS THE GAMES BETTER FEATURES.

I agree that the game needs something more exciting to begin with, like a lower level expedition or something that you can only start if you are under lvl 12/13 and can only join if you are under level 15/20 for example, but not so that lower levels have everything handed to them on a plate.

That may be the case for some players ..... and wanting the game handing on a plate is not only in the realms of the low and mid level players either (a certain recently deleted account for instance), but what most of the contributors to these discussions are after is a balanced game where the players actually have a chance to get somewhere ..... there has been almost no change in the top 20 positions (apart from minor jostling, vacations, deleted accounts and bans) for over 3 months.

Goals are all well and good, but if they become less and less attainable for lower to mid level players then the likelihood is that they will get frustrated with the lack of progress that the game system starts to promote, and they will leave ..... and that is not a good situation.

What needs to be done in these patches is that the deficiencies in all parts of the game have to be looked at, and rather than hurriedly adding a patch that benefits 1 group of players (and just as bad ..... is only tested with 1 group of players), a balanced patch that doesn't give power to one part of the playerbase while leaving others unchanged or even depowered has to be devised ..... and tested with a good cross section of players, especially here in Underworld where the playerbase is supposed to be different from the other servers.

What the Devs are doing with patches like this is similar to the old adage of using a finger plaster on a gaping wound ..... it will only work for a short time if it works at all.

quote:

Originally posted by nukematty
do u really think they will do that cos if they do the ppl over 50 will want another patch if we get on just for the ppl under 50

Personally I think that a patch that is formulated primarily for the sub 50's would be a bad idea, however, I also think that the previous patches that have strongly favoured the over 50's fell far short of the mark too. As I've stated above, a balance needs to be struck ..... and patches should take all levels into consideration (although I do think that a certain bias should be placed on them towards the sub 50's for a while to balance out the previous patches)

And I can't help but notice that SushiMaker and Konrad have still not answered the primary question put to them a few times in this thread:

quote:

Posted by Evil-Eoin on 01-19-2008 at16:59:

quote:

Originally posted by Gendibal
Personally I think that a patch that is formulated primarily for the sub 50's would be a bad idea, however, I also think that the previous patches that have strongly favoured the over 50's fell far short of the mark too. As I've stated above, a balance needs to be struck ..... and patches should take all levels into consideration (although I do think that a certain bias should be placed on them towards the sub 50's for a while to balance out the previous patches)

I think you raised the one valid concern with a patch aimed only at players under Level 50 there and answered it in the same sentence. We need the Devs to spend a bit of time balancing out the imbalances they have created. While this latest patch adds some very exciting things for the players six months or more into the game, we need to see something exciting to keep the rest of the player base active for the six months they'll need to get to Act 2.

Posted by bobalob57 on 01-19-2008 at20:39:

i think the solution is ,as scillage said to introduce a new expidition for lower lv players, but i think anyone can do it, but the rewards are quite low so higher lvs wouldnt want to do it. for these expiditons you wouldnt have to be in a clan to do it, you just send a message link to some people you know and they could do it together

Posted by Gendibal on 01-19-2008 at20:41:

how would you solve the problem of Honour Point requirements for the expedition if you're not in a clan?

Posted by bobalob57 on 01-19-2008 at22:53:

each secter could have a 'champion' as well as a overseerbeating the champ makes you the champion and and gives you a small amount of honour points.

Posted by Evil-Eoin on 01-20-2008 at02:36:

quote:

Originally posted by bobalob57
each secter could have a 'champion' as well as a overseerbeating the champ makes you the champion and and gives you a small amount of honour points.

Interesting. I've often wondered about the possibility of sector overseers being developed. I'm sure it was mentioned at some point, but I've heard nothing since. It would also be interesting to see this "sector champion" thing being expanded upon and would lead to some interesting jostling for position of squares in sectors where you are more likely to be the "Champion". Anything that adds a new dimension to the warfare has got to a be a good thing...

Posted by diablo on 01-20-2008 at02:48:

'City events' had been mentioned before.
Beating the sector champ? In battle where the attacker has the advantage? Hmmm. I think expeditions should stay a clan thing.

Posted by Paranoia on 01-20-2008 at03:06:

quote:

Beating the sector champ? In battle where the attacker has the advantage? Hmmm. I think expeditions should stay a clan thing.

unless it was made like an EXPO so that buildings have nothing to do with the fight.... just PvP.... it would make it a fair fight....

Posted by Zeruel on 01-20-2008 at16:55:

quote:

Originally posted by UG3
unless it was made like an EXPO so that buildings have nothing to do with the fight.... just PvP.... it would make it a fair fight....

Especially for Catchers.

Posted by bobalob57 on 01-20-2008 at17:08:

i think it would also help make the game interesting in other ways as well as low lv expiditions as althoagh zauboron is top of the rankings, people sometimes beat him. and i think some of the higher lv players would like to be champ of zone 2, for example. i also think if they did use this idea you would be able to become the champ of more than one sector and/or not just your own.

Posted by diablo on 01-20-2008 at23:43:

Zone 2 has an overseer already - it is (will be) The One in Zone 1. Having a champion of multiple sectors is pointless.
I generally disagree with this idea, but thats just my opinion.

Posted by bobalob57 on 01-21-2008 at17:41:

yes but to become overseer of zone 2 you have to beat the current overseer in a seige. but what im sugesting is that as well as te overseer theres a champ which you have to beat i n battle, without building help.

Posted by Gendibal on 01-21-2008 at17:48:

There is only one major problem that I can see with that idea ...... Beastmasters, Cultists and Absorbers can all use their arcana without buildings being factored into it ...... Thoughtcatchers however do not have this advantage, as their arcana do not work independantly of their bodyguard agency and police station

Posted by bobalob57 on 01-21-2008 at18:21:

i think the solution would be to put a chance of challanging the champ, like ambushes, but perception doesnt matter, only charisma and reputation. this would give thaughtcatchers a slight advantage and possibly make it fairer

Posted by diablo on 02-14-2008 at18:33:

How close are we to finally enjoy the new patch?

EDIT: Cultist= Searing blood, enemy suffers 10 dmg/per lvl, costs 15 BP

Does it mean per round? If not it is useless.

Posted by Evangelion on 02-14-2008 at19:13:

Per lvl or arcana used. I'm not sure about this "per round" thing because a band of cultists would go on an expedition and kill every monster they meet.

Posted by fool on 02-14-2008 at19:28:

i think that culits get a big advage already
agilty if you want to be meele
extra health is good for any type
and now this one

Posted by Evangelion on 02-14-2008 at20:40:

What about the additional attacks for beastmaster or working buildings and stealing agents for thoughtcatcher or expedition arcanas for absorber? They're all powerful.

Posted by Paranoia on 02-14-2008 at20:45:

quote:

expedition arcanas for absorber

do we actually know what it is yet or not.... if we do i apologise in advance

Posted by Evangelion on 02-14-2008 at20:48:

If it's arcana specialized in expeditions then it must be good Tongue

Have faith in our dev team Tongue

And we still don't know what will it be Tongue

Posted by Bliitz on 02-14-2008 at20:57:

quote:

Originally posted by Evangelion
If it's arcana specialized in expeditions then it must be good Tongue

Have faith in our dev team

that is good thing for clan, they look for absorber more.
have faith...
hah.

Posted by DarkOne on 02-14-2008 at21:06:

well actually it is just balancing the issue of useless arcana for absorber in expeditions; well they become an allrounder then, thoughcatchers do not ...

Posted by Gendibal on 02-14-2008 at22:11:

quote:

Originally posted by Evangelion
Tongue

Have faith in our dev team Tongue

Lets see how they handle implementing this patch ..... Faith is something that the dev team have given us no reason at all to have in them. If they can correct some of the problems their previous patches have caused with this one, then all well and good ..... if they don't then it's just more of the same.