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Posted by Hayz_M on 05-22-2011 at10:32:
Anti bot is too sensitive
I just got anti bot banned for an hour whilst trying to apply to someones expo because the clicker on my mouse got stuck & decided to click repeatedly..
Its way too sensitive - it must have clicked only about 10 times in the message box & now Im banned for an hour and cant join the expo...
In my opinion anyone who would use a bot or script or something like that would have to put way more effort in than its worth .. and for clicking 10 times over accidently I think a ban for an hour is ridiculous.
Thank you anti bot for banning me for an hour & for possibly ruining the expo I was TRYING to join as well as loosing me exp ...
Posted by Democratic on 05-22-2011 at10:34:
Q _ Q
They don't care.
Posted by Hayz_M on 05-22-2011 at10:36:
well they should .. and thanks again for adding such an addition to a thread.
If you dont have something useful / helpful to say then just sit on your hands.
Posted by Democratic on 05-22-2011 at10:37:
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Originally posted by Hayz_M
well they should .. and thanks again for adding such an addition to a thread.
If you dont have something useful / helpful to say then just sit on your hands. |
No problem, you're welcome.
Posted by franz on 05-22-2011 at10:40:
Hayz, I'm not taking a dig at you or anything, but I think Levija is right. The amount of times people have been banned through the anti-bot is quite mind boggling. You would have thought the devs would have done something about it by now, and maybe the amount of threads created to try and make them do it would have persuaded them, but no.
It needs sorted, that much is clear, but whether or not it will be improved is yet to be seen.
Posted by Hayz_M on 05-22-2011 at10:43:
its retarded ... a mouse sticking and clicking 10 times over fast warrants a ban? I think not ...
-oh no people will cheat at the game... ROFL yes ok then cause someone will put that much effort into spamming their way to the top ... Im sure if someone had that much free time & skill theyd be doing more than hacking an internet game.. maybe hacking sony for example :L
Pfft its just annoyed me because it was the timing of it more than anything
Posted by Artoir. on 05-22-2011 at14:32:
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others)
Posted by Hayz_M on 05-22-2011 at19:54:
they could still change the sensitivity of the bloody thing.
Posted by FlashAOD on 05-22-2011 at20:01:
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Originally posted by Artoir.
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others) |
Unless an admin can give me a valid reason for it i am 100% against this anti bot and from all players i wont agree with untill iv heard it from an admin.
This is a turn based game.. you CANNOT do anything by clicking any quicker, if this was a game that you coul say do a quest every 5minutes aslong as your online and you set a bot to do it for you while you slept then i agree with it.. but because its turn based and you have to do the quests on the hour and get no more whats the point?
same with the auction, theres nothing that needs it, clicking quicker doesnt force attacks through quicker it doesnt help you in expos and it has no relavance at all, so why isit here?
to slow stop lag of people clicking quicker.. how much lag can you make by clicking 2/3times instead of once
Posted by Unholy Emperor on 05-22-2011 at20:03:
I've only ever once been banned by the anti-bot, and it was on purpose. (I couldnt tear myself away from BW when I had other things that needed to be done so I spammed the Throne Hall button til I got banned) Its just unlucky that your mouse got stuck Hayz, you know what to do to prevent this in future though, get a new mouse! ;P
Posted by Artoir. on 05-22-2011 at20:50:
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others) |
it doesnt help you in expos and it has no relavance at all, so why isit here?
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Really? Granted I haven't been on here in a while so I've no idea what the mob situation is, but before I left there was a serious shortage and people were literally refreshing every few minutes waiting on one to appear. On the polish servers the situation was much worse, they have genuinely active and FULL servers (not ones with maybe 1500 active players) and people were using illegitimate means to make sure they got expos..
Posted by smierc on 05-22-2011 at21:00:
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others) |
it doesnt help you in expos and it has no relavance at all, so why isit here?
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Really? Granted I haven't been on here in a while so I've no idea what the mob situation is, but before I left there was a serious shortage and people were literally refreshing every few minutes waiting on one to appear. On the polish servers the situation was much worse, they have genuinely active and FULL servers (not ones with maybe 1500 active players) and people were using illegitimate means to make sure they got expos.. |
is this a full, active, polish server? no, so your point is irrelevant.
Posted by FlashAOD on 05-22-2011 at21:00:
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others) |
it doesnt help you in expos and it has no relavance at all, so why isit here?
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Really? Granted I haven't been on here in a while so I've no idea what the mob situation is, but before I left there was a serious shortage and people were literally refreshing every few minutes waiting on one to appear. On the polish servers the situation was much worse, they have genuinely active and FULL servers (not ones with maybe 1500 active players) and people were using illegitimate means to make sure they got expos.. |
How illigitimate can an expo get when you cant make it any quicker by refreshing? and with the option to now create an expo if you successfully respawn a mob its not needed..
and if people are refreshing every minute to see if one appears they are idiots.. if theres a team in there its either going to fail on the half hour or on the hour.
Maybe im clearly missing the bigger picture but if i am then please do explain
Posted by Artoir. on 05-22-2011 at21:04:
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others) |
it doesnt help you in expos and it has no relavance at all, so why isit here?
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Really? Granted I haven't been on here in a while so I've no idea what the mob situation is, but before I left there was a serious shortage and people were literally refreshing every few minutes waiting on one to appear. On the polish servers the situation was much worse, they have genuinely active and FULL servers (not ones with maybe 1500 active players) and people were using illegitimate means to make sure they got expos.. |
How illigitimate can an expo get when you cant make it any quicker by refreshing? and with the option to now create an expo if you successfully respawn a mob its not needed..
and if people are refreshing every minute to see if one appears they are idiots.. if theres a team in there its either going to fail on the half hour or on the hour.
Maybe im clearly missing the bigger picture but if i am then please do explain |
As I said, its been a while since I've been involved with expeditions so if the system has changed fair enough. My point is without the antibot, it opens up the possibility of people cheating when competing for a monster (one they're not spawning themselves).
Posted by FlashAOD on 05-22-2011 at21:07:
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others) |
it doesnt help you in expos and it has no relavance at all, so why isit here?
|
Really? Granted I haven't been on here in a while so I've no idea what the mob situation is, but before I left there was a serious shortage and people were literally refreshing every few minutes waiting on one to appear. On the polish servers the situation was much worse, they have genuinely active and FULL servers (not ones with maybe 1500 active players) and people were using illegitimate means to make sure they got expos.. |
How illigitimate can an expo get when you cant make it any quicker by refreshing? and with the option to now create an expo if you successfully respawn a mob its not needed..
and if people are refreshing every minute to see if one appears they are idiots.. if theres a team in there its either going to fail on the half hour or on the hour.
Maybe im clearly missing the bigger picture but if i am then please do explain |
As I said, its been a while since I've been involved with expeditions so if the system has changed fair enough. My point is without the antibot, it opens up the possibility of people cheating when competing for a monster (one they're not spawning themselves). |
How can you cheat when the game automatically releases monsters on the half hour / hour if the team fails? there is no way you can force the game to let a monster drop before the timer finishes
Posted by Artoir. on 05-22-2011 at21:08:
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others) |
it doesnt help you in expos and it has no relavance at all, so why isit here?
|
Really? Granted I haven't been on here in a while so I've no idea what the mob situation is, but before I left there was a serious shortage and people were literally refreshing every few minutes waiting on one to appear. On the polish servers the situation was much worse, they have genuinely active and FULL servers (not ones with maybe 1500 active players) and people were using illegitimate means to make sure they got expos.. |
How illigitimate can an expo get when you cant make it any quicker by refreshing? and with the option to now create an expo if you successfully respawn a mob its not needed..
and if people are refreshing every minute to see if one appears they are idiots.. if theres a team in there its either going to fail on the half hour or on the hour.
Maybe im clearly missing the bigger picture but if i am then please do explain |
As I said, its been a while since I've been involved with expeditions so if the system has changed fair enough. My point is without the antibot, it opens up the possibility of people cheating when competing for a monster (one they're not spawning themselves). |
How can you cheat when the game automatically releases monsters on the half hour / hour if the team fails? there is no way you can force the game to let a monster drop before the timer finishes |
Correct, but what you can do is constantly refresh and apply for expos so that once one is dropped you are guaranteed to get it.
Posted by smierc on 05-22-2011 at21:12:
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Artoir.
Any other text based MMORPG is the same, its either Antibot or people abusing the game with scripts (as happened in so many others) |
it doesnt help you in expos and it has no relavance at all, so why isit here?
|
Really? Granted I haven't been on here in a while so I've no idea what the mob situation is, but before I left there was a serious shortage and people were literally refreshing every few minutes waiting on one to appear. On the polish servers the situation was much worse, they have genuinely active and FULL servers (not ones with maybe 1500 active players) and people were using illegitimate means to make sure they got expos.. |
How illigitimate can an expo get when you cant make it any quicker by refreshing? and with the option to now create an expo if you successfully respawn a mob its not needed..
and if people are refreshing every minute to see if one appears they are idiots.. if theres a team in there its either going to fail on the half hour or on the hour.
Maybe im clearly missing the bigger picture but if i am then please do explain |
As I said, its been a while since I've been involved with expeditions so if the system has changed fair enough. My point is without the antibot, it opens up the possibility of people cheating when competing for a monster (one they're not spawning themselves). |
How can you cheat when the game automatically releases monsters on the half hour / hour if the team fails? there is no way you can force the game to let a monster drop before the timer finishes |
Correct, but what you can do is constantly refresh and apply for expos so that once one is dropped you are guaranteed to get it. |
at the half/on the hour, people are sat in shammy set, multiple people, hoping for a free mob, how does that guarantee a damn thing? others can be faster off the blocks, or maybe have a faster internet connection, so no, it's not guaranteed.
Posted by franz on 05-22-2011 at21:14:
I think the point of the whole matter is that everyone, or the majority, wants the Anti-Bot system changed. The devs will go for the option that will please the majority of people, and won't give a mind to those who won't be pleased.
Posted by Artoir. on 05-22-2011 at21:23:
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at the half/on the hour, people are sat in shammy set, multiple people, hoping for a free mob, how does that guarantee a damn thing? others can be faster off the blocks, or maybe have a faster internet connection, so no, it's not guaranteed. |
*Sigh*
No its not guaranteed, unless you're using scripts that can refresh a page quicker than you can click. As I mentioned above if you care to read. The only way to stop people using these means, is to implement an Antibot that temporarily bans an account refreshing a page too quickly.
And to answer Franz, the devs know full well about the repercussions of not having it in place regardless of how many people don't want it.
Posted by franz on 05-22-2011 at21:50:
I never said remove it.
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Anti-Bot is too sensitive |
Make it less sensitive.
Posted by Artoir. on 05-22-2011 at21:52:
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Originally posted by franz
I never said remove it.
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Anti-Bot is too sensitive |
Make it less sensitive. |
Have some patience
I don't understand how people still manage to set it off, I've never once done it apart from when my internet was playing up and I frustratedly clicked the same button for ten seconds
Posted by Paranoia on 05-22-2011 at23:49:
ok... why do we need a clicker when we have captcha on the start an expo screen...
it seems quite pointless to me tbh...
It doesnt matter how many times its refreshed if you still have to have the human componant to start the damn thing...
Posted by Noumenon on 05-23-2011 at03:11:
I'm in agreement with Artoir here, it's fine. I've set it off twice, once while the net was dodgy and once drunk.
And scripts can be written so that when criterion X is fulfilled (ie mob appears) then to execute the command to select the expo and select to start faster than any human. If people could cheat they would.
Bad luck is just bad luck. Replace the mouse
Posted by Hespera on 05-23-2011 at03:48:
I used to set the antibot off and it frustrated the heck out of me because I know I wasn't physically hitting my button repeatedly or refreshing like a maniac. It happened on my old laptop which in it's later days must have been ultra sensitive and the only solution that worked for me was to use a plug in mouse. I have not had a problem with it on any other computer/laptop since.
In hindsight I don't think it's the antibot system that needs fixing. The problem lies on the players end. Don't be impatient, adjust your mouse sensitivty, or get a new one.
Posted by Hayz_M on 05-23-2011 at06:58:
As Iv stated before Raxis , you would agree with someone else as you dont like me.
So stop all this arguing the point I was trying to make is it needs to be made less sensitive , not removed completely.
Theres nothing wrong with the mouse I have the fact that it stuck yesterday was a rare occasion so no Im not going to go buy a new one for the sake of you guys shutting up.
It clicked 10 times over on the message page & I got anti botted... I really fail to see how that warrants a ban tbh
Arty youve not been on here for well over 6 months .. dont come back & start QQing all over the board about this that & the other.. The expo mobs here arent a pain to get unless its sphinx on reset but who cares? Noone cares enough to make a script that does the game for you .. whats the point... And if you are sad enough to do it - Jeez go get a job in computing or some crap like that because if your wasting your time on scripting an online game to cheat at it then your really not worth the air you breath.
Stop your bickering, all of you ... My point was & still is ITS TOO SENSITIVE!
Posted by Ba_al on 05-23-2011 at09:26:
the anti-bot is to stop well bots lol
so what if when u get anti-botted u can type in a code like when u top up ur premmy or want to start an expo
to prove that ur human and not a bot/script and the ban will be lifted ?
Posted by franz on 05-23-2011 at10:21:
That, Ba, is a good idea.
But I can aready see people abusing it.
Maybe only usable once every 24 hours?
Posted by warlock619 on 05-23-2011 at11:15:
Maybe if there are a certain amount of bans in a time period a longer ban that cannot be stopped with a code can be given?
Posted by Artoir. on 05-23-2011 at13:13:
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It clicked 10 times over on the message page & I got anti botted... I really fail to see how that warrants a ban tbh
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And the system needs fixed? Really?
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| Originally posted by Hayz_MArty youve not been on here for well over 6 months .. dont come back & start QQing all over the board about this that & the other.. |
Apologies I must have missed the new board rules since I stepped down as Mod stating those that take a break from the game no longer have any knowledge of how it works...
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| Originally posted by Hayz_M Noone cares enough to make a script that does the game for you .. |
Really? Did you read any of the thread? Before there was an antibot there were those making scripts. You don't need to be a computer programmer to make one, so your technophobia isn't really a valid argument here.
Posted by Hayz_M on 05-23-2011 at13:24:
10 times... an hour ban is excessive .. if it was 100 times then I could understand it but it wasnt so shh
You stepped down as a mod - so why still act like one? Didnt say you have no knowledge of how it works either I just said you cant come back & moan in different threads when expos & things like that have changed since you "retired"
I fail to see how Im a technophobe .. I just dont see the point in cheating on an online game.. what will it accomplish? not a whole hell of a lot.. "WOOOWWWW IM #1 ON AN ONLINE GAME THAT I CHEATED ON YAAAAY GO ME" ... amazing..
It needs its sensitivity changing .. clicking 10 times over in the same space isnt a bot .. its a mouse getting stuck - not someone trying to script an online game or someone cheating at a REAL TIME BASED game..
¬.¬ Because this game is OBVIOUSLY unhackable like sony.. you could get through with a click D:
Posted by Artoir. on 05-23-2011 at15:21:
You've failed to grasp anything I've put forward here, so I'm not going to waste any more time
Posted by Hayz_M on 05-23-2011 at15:47:
whatever youve ruined the threads point thanks for that
Mod close this please cant be asked with any more circled arguing >.>
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