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Posted by Cthulhu on 04-24-2012 at16:35:

  Evo's Maths Geek Quiz!

Ok maths geeks & nerdettes, here's the question:

Q: If, starting at level 65 (Act 3 entry point), a player was to be successful in all his/her attacks and gaining the maximum amount of Evo points possible per attack at what level would the player achieve all 4 levels in every evolution? (answer worth 25 points)

Some quantitive restrictions:
- remember that other players can only be attacked twice in one BW day
- the player did no quests, expos, arenas, or gained xp in any other way
- due to the variables of zone location & tattoo xp bonus; we will assume that the player has an xp bonus of 18%, and is in a Z4 square attacking other Z4 players only.




Additional parts for the truely nerdy: (extra credits you know you love 'em!)

Q(1): Calculate the number of points of progress that character would be; given that they entered Act 3 at exactly level 65. (answer worth 25 points)

Q(2): Calculate the amount of experience they would have recieved. (answer worth 25 points)

Q(2): Calculate how many days it would take the character to achieve this goal if they were: a) Premium paying; b) Non-premium paying. (each answer worth 10 points)

Q(3): Calculate how many of each denomination of Stones they would have received during their epic adventure? (that's an easy bonus 5pts!)



And for the truely uber nerds:

Q(4) Re-calculate all of the above adding the additional points gained from a successful expo every 2 days of the mob which gives the maximum xp drop for the level. (answer worth 50 points -- hahaha, good luck with this, it will need some hardcore research)




All correct bonus answers requiring xp calculations will be given a 25 point approximation allowance window; e.g. if the actual answer is 150,000 experience points, then anywhere between 149,975 - 150,025 will be correct.
But obviously if are a true geek, you will want to ensure all those numbers are exact!


Bone on my little human calculators....












Disclaimer: there is no prize awarded to any of the entrants to this quiz, other than being able to hold your head up & say that you are a BW Geekoid. The person who set this question is not able to certify any answers are correct given as he is a lazy git & hopeless at maths.
The person who set the questions is not liable for any upset or mental breakdown either caused the questions or the answers.

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Posted by Unholy Emperor on 04-24-2012 at17:12:

 

I tried, I failed. My brain nearly imploded.


GL to anyone who attempts it.

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Posted by Sapling on 04-24-2012 at18:03:

 

Main question : lvl 91.

Secondary questions :

q1 - 5,313,023 xp
q2 - 4,867,231 xp
q3 - 1433 days premium paying / 2865 days non premium paying
q4 - 4867 bloodstones, 973 heartstones, 486 lifestones, 194 mergestones, 97 soulstones (for some reason I think i got this one completely wrong).

i am not doing the extra question, i don't want to burn my cells.

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Posted by Nordy on 04-24-2012 at18:14:

 

sorry, my English not so good ))

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Q: If, starting at level 65 (Act 3 entry point), a player was to be successful in all his/her attacks and gaining the maximum amount of Evo points possible per attack at what level would the player achieve all 4 levels in every evolution? (answer worth 25 points)

A: 174 lvl
because 11 kinds of evo * 10 PoE per kind = 110 + 64 = 174 lvl

A2: (that you think) but you don't write about akt ! 2 or 3. and doesn't matter what square has you enemy 5z or 1z =)

I'll take 3rd akt
90*2.5*1.18 (z4, 3 akt & 18% XP) = 265,5 = 265exp per attack

PoE =
11* (150+300+450+600) [kind*(lvl1+lvl2+lvl3+lvl4)]= 11*1500=16500 PoE

so exp=PoE/PoE_per_attack*exp_per_attack = 16500/2 * 265= 2186250 exp

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Posted by Sapling on 04-24-2012 at18:20:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Nordy sorry, my English not so good )) *** Q: If, starting at level 65 (Act 3 entry point), a player was to be successful in all his/her attacks and gaining the maximum amount of Evo points possible per attack at what level would the player achieve all 4 levels in every evolution? (answer worth 25 points) A: 174 lvl because 11 kinds of evo * 10 PoE per kind = 110 + 64 = 174 lvl A2: (that you think) but you don't write about akt ! 2 or 3. and doesn't matter what square has you enemy 5z or 1z =) I'll take 3rd akt 90*2.5*1.18 (z4, 3 akt & 18% XP) = 265,5 = 265exp per attack PoE = 11* (150+300+450+600) [kind*(lvl1+lvl2+lvl3+lvl4)]= 11*1500=16500 PoE so exp=PoE/PoE_per_attack*exp_per_attack = 16500/2 * 265= 2186250 exp

You are right about the 265 xp per attack, I only was calculating on 180 xp * 1.18, forgot about the act 3 xp bonus.

But your level is way way off.

If what you need is 16500 PoE, which means 8250 attacks, and that brings you 2,186,250 xp, it means you will be at a total of 2,632,042 xp when you reach those 16500 PoE.

So you won't even be lvl 91 yet, that puts you at lvl 83. But to get all evolutions at lvl 4, you need to be lvl 91, so you will have to wait for that.

So in the end, the only true answer is : lvl 91. As soon as you reach lvl 91, you immediately have enough PoE to unblock all evolutions at lvl 4.

So in the end, the experience gained does not matter because it is still under the lvl required to get all lvl 4s.

Which means the only xp gained you must take into account is the xp necessary to get to lvl 91 from lvl 65.

Hence my answer.


EDIT : About this :

And for the truely uber nerds:

Q(4) Re-calculate all of the above adding the additional points gained from a successful expo every 2 days of the mob which gives the maximum xp drop for the level. (answer worth 50 points -- hahaha, good luck with this, it will need some hardcore research)

My best guess is that lvl 91 is so far away, that even with maximum xp from one expo every 2 days, you will hit your 16500 PoE before you hit lvl 91.

I won't calculate it but I would say I am 99% sure about it, which makes the question irrelevant because once again, the level at which you would attain all lvl 4 evolutions is lvl 91.

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Posted by Nordy on 04-24-2012 at18:24:

 

Yep.
But I don't find table of levels )))
so I write only expo
+ expo by 65 lvl (aboute 446k)

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Posted by Sapling on 04-24-2012 at18:26:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Nordy Yep. But I don't find table of levels ))) so I write only expo + expo by 65 lvl (aboute 446k)

Experience table

But I don't understand your maths there :

"A: 174 lvl
because 11 kinds of evo * 10 PoE per kind = 110 + 64 = 174 lvl "

I'm very confused what you just calculated

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Posted by Nordy on 04-24-2012 at18:30:

 

174 lvl when you can use ALL evo on max (4) lvl ))))

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Posted by Sapling on 04-24-2012 at18:39:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Nordy 174 lvl when you can use ALL evo on max (4) lvl ))))

Oh yeah, but i think that was not the question

maybe cthulhu can tell us.

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Posted by Nordy on 04-24-2012 at18:42:

 

so ))
65 lvl =445792 xp
+ 2186250 = 2532042 = 83 (!) lvl
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Q(1): Calculate the number of points of progress that character would be; given that they entered Act 3 at exactly level 65. (answer worth 25 points)
A(1) = 2532 points

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Q(2): Calculate the amount of experience they would have recieved. (answer worth 25 points)
A(2) + 2186250 exp in 3 act

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Q(2): Calculate how many days it would take the character to achieve this goal if they were: a) Premium paying; b) Non-premium paying. (each answer worth 10 points)
A2 (EDIT)
16500 PoE / 16 /2 = 1031.25/2 = 516 days (with premium)
16500 PoE / 8/2 = 2062.5/2 = 1032 days (without premium)
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Q(3): Calculate how many of each denomination of Stones they would have received during their epic adventure? (that's an easy bonus 5pts!)
A(3): 2186 BS, 438 HS, 219LS, 88MS, 44SS
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And for the truely uber nerds:

Q(4) Re-calculate all of the above adding the additional points gained from a successful expo every 2 days of the mob which gives the maximum xp drop for the level. (answer worth 50 points -- hahaha, good luck with this, it will need some hardcore research)

hm ))) I need to translate it correct first
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I translate it
and Can say - It's not correct question
because - WHAT does it mean MAX XP DROP ????
I can start solo expo, I can take 1 or 2 or 3.... players for help me - so max xp drop will change =)

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Posted by Sapling on 04-24-2012 at18:43:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Nordy so )) 65 lvl =445792 xp + 2186250 = 2532042 = 83 (!) lvl ------------------ Q(1): Calculate the number of points of progress that character would be; given that they entered Act 3 at exactly level 65. (answer worth 25 points) A(1) = 2532 points ------------------ Q(2): Calculate the amount of experience they would have recieved. (answer worth 25 points) A(2) + 2186250 exp in 3 act ------------------ Q(2): Calculate how many days it would take the character to achieve this goal if they were: a) Premium paying; b) Non-premium paying. (each answer worth 10 points) A2 16500 PoE / 16 = 1031.25 = 1032 days (with premium) 16500 PoE / 8 = 2062.5 = 2063 days (without premium) ------------------ Q(3): Calculate how many of each denomination of Stones they would have received during their epic adventure? (that's an easy bonus 5pts!) A(3): 2186 BS, 438 HS, 219LS, 88MS, 44SS ------------------ And for the truely uber nerds: Q(4) Re-calculate all of the above adding the additional points gained from a successful expo every 2 days of the mob which gives the maximum xp drop for the level. (answer worth 50 points -- hahaha, good luck with this, it will need some hardcore research) hm ))) I need to translate it correct first

Yeah but at lvl 83 you cannot achieve all evolutions lvl 4, since some of them you need to be lvl 91 for their lvl 4.

Which, again, means you must wait lvl 91

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Posted by Nordy on 04-24-2012 at18:49:

 

)))) If you say about ALL evo so ONLY 174 correct answear ))
and second.
I think the target of this task by Cthulhu was find min lvl of player who can gather 16500 PoE )))

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Posted by Evangelion on 04-24-2012 at19:06:

 

You need exactly 8250 successful ambushes to max out all evolutions, that's 1032 days for non-premium and 516 days for premium players.
It's a max of 265 experience with 18% exp boost, which gives a nice total output of 2 186 250 experience. The limit of 2 ambushes per day for one player isn't really relevant since the top 8 players a player can ambush will surely give the max exp.
The player would be at 2 632 042 experience giving him level 83.
That would give exactly 43 soulstones, 130 mergestones, 218 lifestones, 437 heartstones and 2186 bloodstones.

The last question is actually extremely easy for underworld since you get 100% exp for all the stronger mobs so just going 258 times on a solo wendigo, which has 88604 health points, thus giving you 177208 experience every two days, you end up with a total outcome of 45 719 664 experience, leaving the player with 48 351 706 experience, and that's a level 114.
That's extra 45719 bloodstones, 9143 heartstones, 4571 lifestones, 1828 mergestones and 914 soulstones.

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Posted by Nordy on 04-24-2012 at19:11:

 

quote:

You need exactly 8250 successful ambushes to max out all evolutions, that's 1032 days for non-premium and 516 days for premium players.

yes - my mistake - I write 2 times more )))

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Posted by Deadliest-Warrior on 04-24-2012 at19:12:

 

wow this is blowing my mind to ashes

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Posted by Sapling on 04-24-2012 at19:14:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Evangelion You need exactly 8250 successful ambushes to max out all evolutions, that's 1032 days for non-premium and 516 days for premium players. It's a max of 265 experience with 18% exp boost, which gives a nice total output of 2 186 250 experience. The limit of 2 ambushes per day for one player isn't really relevant since the top 8 players a player can ambush will surely give the max exp. The player would be at 2 632 042 experience giving him level 83. That would give exactly 43 soulstones, 130 mergestones, 218 lifestones, 437 heartstones and 2186 bloodstones. The last question is actually extremely easy for underworld since you get 100% exp for all the stronger mobs so just going 258 times on a solo wendigo, which has 88604 health points, thus giving you 177208 experience every two days, you end up with a total outcome of 45 719 664 experience, leaving the player with 48 351 706 experience, and that's a level 114. That's extra 45719 bloodstones, 9143 heartstones, 4571 lifestones, 1828 mergestones and 914 soulstones.

Evan... wtf with that solo wendigo ?

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Posted by Evangelion on 04-24-2012 at19:16:

 

Everything's hypothetical, like all ambushes landing without a single fail, no defensive ambushes, arenas, quests, so why not give a solo wendigo a chance?

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Posted by Sapling on 04-24-2012 at19:17:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Evangelion Everything's hypothetical, like all ambushes landing without a single fail, no defensive ambushes, arenas, quests, so why not give a solo wendigo a chance?

True

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Posted by Deadliest-Warrior on 04-24-2012 at20:13:

 

quote:

Originally posted by Evangelion Everything's hypothetical, like all ambushes landing without a single fail, no defensive ambushes, arenas, quests, so why not give a solo wendigo a chance?

epic but betting you failed badly

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Posted by Cthulhu on 04-24-2012 at21:56:

 

roflmao; that is one of the funniest maths discussions on the board for a long time - thank you guys for making me smile soo much.

What can I say... hats off to Sapling; you waded in fast & got some good answers - Geek!

Nordy, I do not know who you are in game, but you are a definitely a Russian Nerd.

Between the two of you, you came so close; Sapling spotted the trick in the question:
Q = Lvl 91 - the question asked for the level all evos could be "achieved", not used, and as the level restriction on Daemon Blood & Claws/Fangs/Quills is 91. That is the answer... very simple.

Lvl 83; would be the correct answer at which you would have collected enough evo points... which begs the question of the BWT, are there more evos in the pipeline?

The other questions were all flannel for you to get your maths brains around & you did very well, thanks. 100 points to all.

BUT, I bow to Evan. You are a true nerdy geek - 150 points.

A stroke of genius earns you that title - soloing Wendigo! Hahaha, brilliant nerd logic in action. I didn't think of that, you must've been supping on some early evening brain-beer.


Well people, you've seen the raw data, you know what you have to do - 8250 attacks to win them all!... got to buy it, got to them all!!

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Posted by lester123 on 06-05-2012 at09:07:

 

spam

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Posted by Maelstrom on 06-06-2012 at11:05:

 

slight correction to nordy's math
only 9 of the 11 evo's require you to use your eveo level as 2 are always active (Additional cavity and Daemon blood)
so to have all evo's active at level 4 you have to be level 154 (9x10+64=154)

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Posted by infoleather on 09-06-2012 at06:30:

 

A player the 2 ambush daily limit is not really relevant, because the top eight athletes, a player can ambush will give the largest import and export.