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Posted by Allbeone on 03-30-2013 at22:34:

What arcana should Cultists have on defence now?

Just a quick runthrough Races and their arcana

Thoughtcatcher - Mask of Adonis - increases charisma, cost: 12 bp
Beastmaster - Bloodfrenzy - increases strength, cost 13bp
Absorber - Silence of blood - blocks effect of enemy's arcana, cost 15 bp
Cursed one - Night Hunter - Increases perception, costs 30 bp

So as we can see all the races, even Cursed ones!! can have their arcana buffed at defence in case absorbers, this topic is about them, attack them using power absorbtion.

Absorber - Absorb power - absorbs enemy's arcana, cost 30 bp

I can explain
When attacking Thoughtcatcher absorbers dont need to absorb their power since no use of charisma in attack, so they use max silence to Almost block hp boost from char.
When attacking beastmaster absorber might decide to absorb and split aprox 50-50 the str boost or simply block Most of the arcana
When attacking Cursed one!! he can either absorb his perc, if he needs it to shoot or throw stuff or simply silence.
There is nothing interesting in absorbers attacking absorbers since they just either absorb eachother or keep quiet.

Cultist - Rituals
Blood of life – regenerates hit points during combat 0,5% in every round per level of arcanum, cost 25bp
Cat's Paths - increases agility, cost 20bp
Searing blood - deal 1% more damage for each 2% missing HP of the user. Maximum 25%. cost 210 bp

Well we are used to buff SB on def,

Searing Blood An additional one time attack every round, 10 damage per level, costs 14bp,

so absorbers can either decide to absorb half, if their defence allows them, or just simply Almost block the arcana. We must not forget that players who have chosen the absorber race love to use their act 2 arcana and try to get themselves special gear or tatoos to benefit from that extra crit chance. And usually when u see absorber attacking or defending it's something like

XXX uses arcana Power absorption level 9.
XXX uses arcana Power of Blood level 9.
YYY uses arcana Searing Blood level 32.
XXX absorbs 6 pts of the opponent`s arcanum Searing Blood.

Well now i am not quite sure what arcana to use at defence. So if i decide to buff my New Expedition Combo - The New SB + blood of life (Wohoo!), it will all get absorbed and turned against me by any absorber wise enough to attack me 2 times. Some will do it right from the start after reading my post. As a gunnman I can buff agility, what the hell, more initiative!! but is it the only way?

thanks for reading and hope for some suggestions.

PS Always wanted to know what is the racial ratio among active players.

I dont see The New Cultist as firepower friendly, mb we are meant to let the carpatian vampiers bite us and become ugly mf?
(Breath of Death arcanum works when below 45% deacreases agility by 3 for every level of the arcanum. Additionaly each level of the arcanym increases the chance to dodge by 3% costs 40 bp
Night Hunter Increases perception, costs 30 bp
Horror Blocks the attack of an opponent in the first round of an ambush, Blocks the attacks of a random opponent in the second round of a siege or expedition, costs 225 blood points) but that's another topic.

Posted by blizzard2 on 03-30-2013 at23:36:

against absorber any arcana used from a cultest is useless now, as level 89 with level 1 additional cavity i get level 16 cats path max and most of the absorbers use level 16 absorb or more blocking against me.

Posted by SPECTER on 03-31-2013 at00:05:

If you don't like Absorber's don't fight them. If you want to complain about them and their powers, do it privetly. I see nothing wrong with Absorber's being one a while back.

Just because the Cultist acrana has changed for the best, and you don't like it cause absorbers can take/block it.. Don't mean you have to make a big scene about Absorbers being OP..

Solution's:
1. Go cry.
2. Get your head down and attack other races. - (Highly Recommended)
3. Start again as an Absorber.

Me done, Good night Tongue

Posted by warlock619 on 03-31-2013 at02:59:

All you can do is either improve in defence so that arcana doesn't matter, or just ignore it and concentrate on defending against other races.

Posted by Allbeone on 03-31-2013 at08:41:

"im not crazy, im just an idiot!!! "
Thanks, but need no advices from you

Specter, absolutely no usefull information, would not want that kind of posts here too keep the descussion on topic

Thanks

Posted by mortanius on 03-31-2013 at12:14:

I agree with you Allbeone. It would be nice to get some helpful advice and not just get used to it.

So would like to hear from some of the top Cultists to see how they are doing now.
Like is it helping you break damage records ?

Posted by Indica on 03-31-2013 at12:26:

well what you do is, you put up with absorbers blocking your arcana.
what makes this better if you make it seem like only cultist have anything to lose from a sponge, put up with absorbers taking your arcana, use arcana to defend from other races, i switch between cats path and blood of life. Work on a defence kit until it doesn't matter when a sponge hits you, and that's when you change arcana in defence to something that isn't beneficial to the attacking sponge. like cats path, if the sponge can't kill you and you're not using BoL, it's not going to successfully have the survivability to kill you. As a user of guns, i'm suprised you've even got stuck at this o.O
Do you need agility? No. If a sponge is attacking you and needs the agility to hit you, mr shoots-at-things, then said sponge is doing it seriously wrong.

Posted by Allbeone on 03-31-2013 at19:49:

The subject of the topic is what arcana to use on the AI in defence page. dont want to give every absorber a better chance against me since they are the majority. So for now im sticking to None, and i am asking for an advice.

Posted by warlock619 on 03-31-2013 at20:02:

Twice you've gotten the same answer, pick whatever arcana you want. An absorber will ABSORB..hence the name of the race.

Hence the advice to MAKE A DEFENCE KIT in which you WON'T NEED TO USE THE ARCANA TO WIN, so that it doesn't matter if an ABSORBer ABSORBS your arcana.

Thought I'd add in emphasis on key words you seem to be having trouble picking up on.

Posted by Indica on 03-31-2013 at20:09:

quote:

Originally posted by Allbeone
The subject of the topic is what arcana to use on the AI in defence page. dont want to give every absorber a better chance against me since they are the majority. So for now im sticking to None, and i am asking for an advice.

the best way to stop absorbers beating someone of your iq in defence, is to delete.

Posted by Allbeone on 03-31-2013 at20:32:

so the best reply i am going to get is not to use any arcana on defence.
was typing all that just to hear that genious thought!!!
ps u guys have ring of genius on?>
pps maybe i should only reply to cultists, since others seem to post nothing of value.

Posted by warlock619 on 03-31-2013 at20:39:

Well..you could use a Shamanistic set so even if the ABSORBers ABSORB your arcana you still have more?

Or here's an idea, Necromancer's set, out ABSORB the ABSORBERS

Myself and Indica are both Cultist's in game too, what we're typing is our opinions. Take them or leave them, but don't try to pass off the suggestions because of a signature I wrote 6 years ago, and because Indica has the same opinion.

The game is and has always been a 'don't like that happening to you? Deal with it' kind of game.

Posted by Indica on 03-31-2013 at20:39:

quote:

Originally posted by Allbeone
so the best reply i am going to get is not to use any arcana on defence.
was typing all that just to hear that genious thought!!!
ps u guys have ring of genius on?>
pps maybe i should only reply to cultists, since others seem to post nothing of value.

i'm a cultist. If you're getting uptight about sponges, make a defence kit, sit there with no arcana on. Also... warlock is a cultist. It's funny how the only ones who've told you to quit crying are cultists.

Posted by darc on 03-31-2013 at23:33:

Lets see thoughtcatchers use majesty we absorb it but they can use it in other races cursed ones use horror thats a 1 lvl only power like new sb we can absorb it and use it against them beastmasters have shadow of the the beast thats also a 1 lvl power melee absorbers take and use it against them now why shouldnt absorbers absorb cultest arcane

Thats what we do we absorb that wont change no point having a race called absorbers that dont absorb is there.

So here is an answer dont use sb just use your other blood magic then we cant absorb it. Very simple.

Posted by warlock619 on 04-01-2013 at00:51:

quote:

Originally posted by darc
Lets see thoughtcatchers use majesty we absorb it but they can use it in other races cursed ones use horror thats a 1 lvl only power like new sb we can absorb it and use it against them beastmasters have shadow of the the beast thats also a 1 lvl power melee absorbers take and use it against them now why shouldnt absorbers absorb cultest arcane

Thats what we do we absorb that wont change no point having a race called absorbers that dont absorb is there.

So here is an answer dont use sb just use your other blood magic then we cant absorb it. Very simple.

^ dat win

Posted by jazzjazZ on 04-02-2013 at19:08:

It allows you to decide, simple as that. So its all about fair judgement.

Posted by Paranoia on 04-03-2013 at12:28:

I have always seen absorbers as leveling the playing field and then destroying you with better gear due to easiness.

Dont use arcana and you stand a better chance. This game is a big circle, some classes you can defend against others will roll you every time. Funny thing is defence is pointless anyway.... Stop worrying so much and pimp your attack gear so you at least give as good as you get.

Posted by dooz on 04-03-2013 at21:07:

quote:

Originally posted by Paranoia
I have always seen absorbers as leveling the playing field and then destroying you with better gear due to easiness.

Dont use arcana and you stand a better chance. This game is a big circle, some classes you can defend against others will roll you every time. Funny thing is defence is pointless anyway.... Stop worrying so much and pimp your attack gear so you at least give as good as you get.

Agreed! no pointing wasting stones on defense. They are much better spent in expo/quest/ambush equip

Posted by Allbeone on 04-03-2013 at22:27:

Yeah that's what i do, never worry about defence.
#1 expo #2 attack #3 quest

Im not that much talking about MY problems, since i def through high perc.

As i stated with my 1st post, everyone has arcana that they could buff on defence to benefit from, no matter what race, or magics they are fighting against. Majority buffs arcana that absorbers cant devastate with absorbtion or silence very easily. and u cant be changing defence AI whole day.
It's like usually, you can see thoughtcatcher buffing charisma and not majesty. The same do beastmasters, just strength, and even cursed ones, buff perception and not horror. Absorbers have no use of their absorbtion apart from specific fights, so they usually silence the victim and/or use PoB. no use of absorbing Mask of Adonis or Night Hunter when attacking.
So with every race you can always have "safe" arcana on defence that boosts your effectivness and cant be turned against you. Maybe just beastmasters, have Bloodfrenzy, that doesnt give advantages to every tatoo path , although you must be pretty dumb if you are beastmaster and not melee.
Cultist had 14bp SB that played the same role, wasnt very usefull but still...was like 19th attack for me. Now if u like to "tank defence" as a high lvl Cultist u maybe better of with no arcana at all thus suffering in defence agains other races, or let absorbers rule over you. 4-5 points of absorb is epough to execute any cultist using magic to defend, use his SB and have a nice regen (15k hp ~ 400 regen per round) all the rest can be spend on PoB.

Well anyway, that topic was mostly addressed to actively deffing, high lvl players, who may have noticed the flaw, well maybe nobody sees it as such.....