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Posted by OMGitsALex on 08-07-2015 at08:43:

  RE: Is this right?

in usual gear i barely get to 20 absorbtion with some +BP enchants...
So .. i use that talisman.. and i absorb 20 any other arcana... i do gain power of blood lower effect.. and some caths path arcana... or whatever i absorb... which wont help me.. unless i have another talisman... changing that arcana into smt better.. and yes.. will change max 20 points..

So i should have like 2 lev 4 talismans... one for absorbtion and 1 changing depending on the guy i hit and his arcana... and ill get 20 power of blood and 20 of his 40-50 arcana ? u serious ?

Besides that... pvp is a minor area... how does this awsome absorbtion talisman help me in expos or quests ? where id rather stick to power of blood

so ? is it useless or not ?

and be real... absorbtion is the most expensive base arcana...

But it can be fixed very easy.... just letting people change race as u can change tattos...

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Posted by Scourge on 08-07-2015 at09:18:

  RE: Is this right?

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Originally posted by OMGitsALex in usual gear i barely get to 20 absorbtion with some +BP enchants... So .. i use that talisman.. and i absorb 20 any other arcana... i do gain power of blood lower effect.. and some caths path arcana... or whatever i absorb... which wont help me.. unless i have another talisman... changing that arcana into smt better.. and yes.. will change max 20 points.. So i should have like 2 lev 4 talismans... one for absorbtion and 1 changing depending on the guy i hit and his arcana... and ill get 20 power of blood and 20 of his 40-50 arcana ? u serious ? Besides that... pvp is a minor area... how does this awsome absorbtion talisman help me in expos or quests ? where id rather stick to power of blood so ? is it useless or not ? and be real... absorbtion is the most expensive base arcana... But it can be fixed very easy.... just letting people change race as u can change tattos...

well I do agree with the fact that since there have been such significant changes to the game since its early beginnings, and especially that tatoos have changed a lot, and runes/evolutions bring a lot of things to the game - there should now be the option for a large amount of premium days to change your race.
That - is for sure.

Regarding the talisman, yes it's not useful in expos. But for me pvp is important. Early on, I used to think pvp didn't matter but without pvp you do not gain evo points, essence now for the new runes, etc.
I have grown quite found of pvp. Plus there is the new arena, the 3v3 system etc.

So I kind of like the absorption + PoB talisman.

NOW ... one thing I can analyse and agree on with you is the following:

All other race specific talismans (2 for each race) are useful in both PvP and PvE (koth, expos, sieges, etc).
For absorber, it is true that only one is useful in PvE (the one with horror activation).

Ultimate Power talisman is useless in expeditions and PvE, it's the only talisman which is pure PvP oriented.
But then again Absorber as a race is very very PvP oriented. Sure PoB which came with act 2 is for PvE also.
But ability to block or absorb other player arcana has always been and will only always be for use against another player in PvP.
That's the nature of the Absorber. And as an absorber I like it and can live with it.

So in the end, I don't want to dispute the validity of the talisman, I think it's fine as it is. Maybe, just maybe ... there could be a small dmg bonus (like 1 dmg per Absorb level for talisman lvl 1 and 2, and 2 dmg per absorb lvl for talisman lvl 3 and 4).

What I do agree is that if this reinforces the PvP nature of the absorber race, it also enhances the need for players to be able to change their race.

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Posted by OMGitsALex on 08-07-2015 at09:47:

  RE: Is this right?

Quite well said...

Basically absorber is the race for PVP... true
And as a weapon? Ranged was the best wep for PVP (hunter/collector doesnt really matter)

And yet? Ranged abosebers never win 1v1 arena.. yes.. its a matter of luck in the last day, if u get the right oponnent... but still being the best race and tatto should make a difference in 3 months of 1v1 arena fights.

but this things are 0 in arena... why ? because everytime u attack u have loads more hp than the defender...

So that specific talisman wont win me the fight even if i do take all his arcana and use it against him ... only good use for the talisman was to take their regeneration arcana... being able to kill those high hp regenerating players like Clementa in her good days.

Besides that... the other talisman ? Silence.. ?
Everybody has horror in expo... as everybody has dodges or mask in pvp... Id rather use dodges and a stats/hp talisman than deadly xxx of night and that silence for the 50%

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Posted by Jmac on 08-07-2015 at10:08:

 

So what you're really saying is that the new absorber effects aren't underpowered, you just don't like how you would utilise them? You think anyone's going to use the defence per charisma one?

Blood wars is about making what you believe is the best out of possible options; adapting your game plan to the race/tats/arcana/talismans available, there are always going to be avenues you don't explore (even though the horror expo talisman clearly WILL come in useful)

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Posted by OMGitsALex on 08-07-2015 at10:28:

 

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Originally posted by Jmac So what you're really saying is that the new absorber effects aren't underpowered, you just don't like how you would utilise them? You think anyone's going to use the defence per charisma one? Blood wars is about making what you believe is the best out of possible options; adapting your game plan to the race/tats/arcana/talismans available, there are always going to be avenues you don't explore (even though the horror expo talisman clearly WILL come in useful)

If thats what u understood from there i wont even bother to explain it again...
Again... if we could change race would be fair for anyone...

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Posted by Phaera on 08-08-2015 at13:06:

 

my opinion on the whole thing is to go ahead and make them powerful... just the other things need to be just as powerful in another way... and make ways to counter them at least somewhat. like ignore defense countering defense... or regeneration every time you get hit = to you toughness countering that... stopping regeneration, etc.)

and as I said before... we need more things and you have tons of things you could do!

a talisman that reduces the cost of arcana by some fraction would be cool... possibly one for each race...

and some talismans that boosts other things that everyone has would be cool too! (like tattoo's)

I personally would prefer all the arcana talismans to do something unique to the game... like make ultimate power change power absorption from an... at the beginning of the fight ability into a steal some bp worth of effects, or some portion of the expo mobs current effects w/ every hit, ability

its your choice... just please do more!!

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Posted by MYRKUL on 08-08-2015 at15:50:

  RE: Is this right?

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Originally posted by OMGitsALex Besides that... the other talisman ? Silence.. ? Everybody has horror in expo... as everybody has dodges or mask in pvp... Id rather use dodges and a stats/hp talisman than deadly xxx of night and that silence for the 50%

Yep, pretty useless for expos as we see them right now, as with a half decent team, few expos, even Chronos, get to round 3 even.

But there are 17 new "Rune" expos, we've only seen the first 8 so far, and those later few are tough.

I have a sneaking suspicion that once people start to unlock those later Rune expos, a couple of Absorbers with the ability to 50% horror every round may become a permanent fixture in most peoples expos, as the expos may well go for many rounds, and their crits will 1 shot kill anyone. Let alone what their specials might be.

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Posted by theheraldofogc on 08-08-2015 at18:03:

  RE: Is this right?

quote:

Originally posted by MYRKUL quote: Originally posted by OMGitsALex Besides that... the other talisman ? Silence.. ? Everybody has horror in expo... as everybody has dodges or mask in pvp... Id rather use dodges and a stats/hp talisman than deadly xxx of night and that silence for the 50% Yep, pretty useless for expos as we see them right now, as with a half decent team, few expos, even Chronos, get to round 3 even. But there are 17 new "Rune" expos, we've only seen the first 8 so far, and those later few are tough. I have a sneaking suspicion that once people start to unlock those later Rune expos, a couple of Absorbers with the ability to 50% horror every round may become a permanent fixture in most peoples expos, as the expos may well go for many rounds, and their crits will 1 shot kill anyone. Let alone what their specials might be.

We've already seen Abaddon is an unholy monster with increasing Crit damage :|
This may be a way to actually beat the sod.

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Posted by theheraldofogc on 08-08-2015 at23:50:

 

Does the anti-solo patch apply to new map?

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Posted by Phaera on 08-09-2015 at11:29:

 

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Originally posted by MYRKUL I have a sneaking suspicion that once people start to unlock those later Rune expos, a couple of Absorbers with the ability to 50% horror every round may become a permanent fixture in most peoples expos, as the expos may well go for many rounds, and their crits will 1 shot kill anyone. Let alone what their specials might be.

its supposed to get 50% every round? that is not how I read it...

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Posted by FlashAOD on 08-09-2015 at12:17:

 

It specifically says in the third round of an expo / siege

or first round of an attack

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Posted by MYRKUL on 08-09-2015 at18:53:

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Originally posted by FlashAOD It specifically says in the third round of an expo / siege or first round of an attack

It does indeed. What the hell was I reading????????

Maybe wishful thinking that it was a little more useful lol!!!

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Posted by mortanius on 08-09-2015 at20:43:

 

Rune locations, I keep having the kill going to someone else.
Am I screwed when all locations are used up ?

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Posted by theheraldofogc on 08-09-2015 at22:51:

 

Go check Mishmash mortanius, I've listed the locations you need to redo for different one use portals