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Helldemon
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Registration Date: 01-21-2009
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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but how about if we do a league system, where the top 4-6 clans are in the top league, then the next 4-6 clans and so on, we could keep it best of 7 like are 1 with the source, and depending on poh we could have a break period between each campaign so people could use what they win. Plus if their's enough people with spare time then we could have a hall of fame/shame section for each division
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01-25-2009 17:34 |
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Nayrlien
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Registration Date: 12-13-2007
Posts: 63
Location: Weymouth, Dorset
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Very good idea Hell, and if i may, i'd like to add some ideas.
1. have more teams per league, i was thinking about 10-12 teams
2. Have relegations and promotions, bottom 2 or 3 go down, top 2 or 3 goup.
3. have 2 "matches" a week on set days.
Basically i'm thinking along the lines of football leagues, they're pretty much adaptable for most games so makes the most sense. 3 points for the win and 1 point for a draw. We can have damage difference instead of goal difference and so on.
We would just need someone with forum knowledge to run that side of it though, to keep the leagues upto date, and maybe organise the fixtures.
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01-25-2009 18:00 |
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mikem
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Registration Date: 05-01-2008
Posts: 39
Location: Wales
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: Boot Camp
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The idea has possibilities, but would need more organisation and discipline than I currently see on the server. Sieges are still like cat herding.
Looking at the clan spread with DB/BoS way out there on points it will be hard to have leagues without reasonably strict rules. For example:
1. You would need some kind of points/numbers limit that would allow clans with some variance of size to fight on equal terms
2. You would need much stronger co-operation between clan leaders
3. You would need stronger leadership within clans, especially where some of the top mercs are concerned.
I think it is much more likely to work well between two clans than as a league as it is more likely two clans can agree terms and rules than the server. Or more specifically it is more likely that an agreement between two clans will be honoured.
The maturity level of players and clans on this server needs to rise before a league system that is viable will work.
My personal feeling is that we are closing in on a point where there needs to be more co-operation between clans and clan leaders as the z3 squares run out, z2 is filled and z1 has been opened
If we can mature to that point there is real potential that we could have war leagues, cross cutting expedition teams, better development of new players, better sharing of equipment for building etc etc.
It needs us to move from a strength = success to a collaboration = success paradigm (way of thinking). I'm not holding my breath waiting as blue doesn't suit me, but I'm up for giving it a try.
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01-25-2009 18:41 |
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Nayrlien
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Registration Date: 12-13-2007
Posts: 63
Location: Weymouth, Dorset
Race in game: Absorber
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i was thinking more along the lines of 2 or more leagues, as in....
Division 1
11772 DB
11689 BoS
7249 Vault 13
7106 The Source
5941 Boot Camp
5548 Family of Darkness
5443 The Ceaseless Rebels
4242 Endbringers
4144 The Coven
3612 Clockers
3170 FALLEN ONES
Division 2
2696 Bloodline Prophesy
2222 assoiffes
2067 Satans Playground
1871 REBORN
1828 HomeLess Lions
1535 EndBeginners
1485 Last Ones Standing
1379 Night Lords
1362 Blood in Blood out
1321 Children of Satan
1041 The Jokers
1030 Fallen Angel
We also have to remember that there are other clans below these ones that may want to get involved too, so the whole thing could stretch over 3 or more leagues.
Obviously our clans never stay the same, with people going out mercing and others coming in from time to time. So just because DB have the most points at the moment, if they have 2 or 3 people out mercing and it's their siege night, they wont be able to accept those people back in and will have to fight 3 people down, giving those lower clans a chance to win.
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01-25-2009 18:45 |
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DemonDude2
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Registration Date: 11-18-2008
Posts: 483
Location: United Counties of Ireland :D
Race in game: Absorber
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Just work it like the tattoo wars are done seems the easyest best solution.
First problem that comes to everyones mind is mercs, but if the entire first page of clans are involved you will see a lot more people starting to feel a lot safer at home, while also growing a sense of need to protect that home.
So its possable that the amount of mercs would dissapear!! i.e. if this league does start up, i can predict myself staying in END, and id wana stay to ensure they dont lose any!!
At the end of every month it would be very kool to have an overall winner of every section, have it noted down i,e, winner of group a is, winner of group b is etc.
You can have a seperate closed thread just for the best/worst!!
@ Nayrlien - i dunno about DB and BoS, their kinda in a laegue of their own , so having their own group makes sense!! And if mercs do die down, then id def. not have that large tables as, unlike football, Blood Wars doesnt solely rely on skill, its not a case of having a good night and playing better than u normally would. Fallen ones could never beat V13 in a full out war!! So having them in the same table is kind of unfair!!
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01-25-2009 18:59 |
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Helldemon
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Registration Date: 01-21-2009
Posts: 75
Race in game: Cursed One
Clan: Hll
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DB and bos are in league's of their own in terms of individual players, but most of us directly below them have 10 members extra and can help make up for it, specially if tactics are right. But if people are uncomfortable then we could do a handicap system say if the points different is to great like maybe not using arcana on the higher points side
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01-25-2009 19:48 |
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Does anyine honestly think this will happen? there are multible threads about "war" each of which came to nothing (cept the v13-source one)
and there is defo no way db and bos will even comtemplate seiging each other, giving the other side poh... i dont see it happening 
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01-26-2009 07:54 |
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Cthulhu
Viking
Registration Date: 11-29-2007
Posts: 726
Location: UK
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: HL
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A war league is a great idea - it has been discussed before, but without any suggestion of proper structure - that's where the problem lies.
If a handfull of people where willing to talk it over & set up a structure, AND the rest of the server were willing to accept that structure without too much bickering or complaining, then it could work.
The organisation would be a b**ch, and I'm not sure it would be that fun. But the actual taking part would be brilliant. And if the Dves aren't going to bring in any kind of competition element to sieging & getting poh (as they previously suggested on several occasions), then I guess it's up to us to do it ourselves.
I think the "football" league structure is probably the best to follow, as we could adapt the league format to the BW situation.
1) Split the clans into leagues.
2) Set up a table on the forum.
3) Agree a number of times each clan "wars" with each other within their league.
4) Allocate "points" for a win, lose, or draw.
5) The winner of each league, gets the opportunity to go up into the next league.
6) The loser of each league gets demoted to the league below.
How's that for a basic structure? 
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01-26-2009 12:49 |
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Helldemon
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Registration Date: 01-21-2009
Posts: 75
Race in game: Cursed One
Clan: Hll
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We can make a start on it if all leaders or deputy's reply on if their interested so we can get an idea on numbers
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01-26-2009 21:30 |
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Lysandra
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Registration Date: 01-11-2008
Posts: 531
Location: Canada
Race in game: Beastmaster
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I'm interested but would like to get my clan's opinion first. Though I am sure they'd all be up for it. I mean heck, I was one of the ones who suggested POH siege wars in the first place. A PoH siege league would actually put that into action.
Normally I would volunteer to help organize but I'm usually not on till really late server time (though still early for me) and between work and finishing the BW story, I'm a bit tied up.
I do want to make one suggestion though. Points are great to go by and all that, BUT I have seen some medium level pointers do the damage of high level pointers and I have seen a clan delibratly go all ranged to pull a siege in their favor even though that clan was all under 250 points or so.
Instead of going by points, leaders should organize based on what they know their members can do in a siege.
And I agree with Titan. There was so much enthusiam over other 'war' threads (like my own for example) but nothing came out of it.
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01-27-2009 01:16 |
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Scyanide
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Registration Date: 08-29-2008
Posts: 176
Location: Sydney
Clan: .DB.
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interesting idea ... but i think it will not work out ...
its very hard work to prepare everything, someone will have to set up timetables for this ...
i cant see its successful...
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01-27-2009 08:21 |
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Cthulhu
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Registration Date: 11-29-2007
Posts: 726
Location: UK
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: HL
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Things like this are only un-succesful if people don't put some effort. I am willing to help do some organising... any other deputies/leaders wanna do the same?
But as I said above - if a handful of people organise it, will everyone else actually take part??
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01-27-2009 09:01 |
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Cthulhu
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Registration Date: 11-29-2007
Posts: 726
Location: UK
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Clan: HL
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01-27-2009 13:08 |
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Jimferatu
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Registration Date: 03-09-2007
Posts: 37
Location: London
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: V13 & BoS
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I really like this idea a lot, but without the devs help in making this sort of thing simpler it may be biting off too much too soon. We don't want to run before we can walk!
How about a slight compromise - A knockout competition?
It could be totally random draws (although somebody wold have to be trusted to physically do this and post the result here) Perhaps a friendly (and responsive) dev? (if such a thing exists!)
It may be that some clans should be seeded, but personally I would not want this.
Also, once you "play" for one team (clan) you are then 'cup-tied' and cannot play for another team. It would be up to clan leaders to monitor who has already played for a team which should be easy enough if all results are posted here. If a team plays a cup-tied player then they would be kicked out of the competition! This should help stop the Mercs problems although will not completely eradicate it.
A cup would mean a lot less organising of fixtures and ALL clans can be involved in the draw - If they don't want to take part the other side get a bye to the next round!
How does this sound?
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01-27-2009 13:20 |
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Jimferatu
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Registration Date: 03-09-2007
Posts: 37
Location: London
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: V13 & BoS
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As an afterthought, maybe the teams/clans that are actively taking part in the cup (and do not wish to be kicked out by playing an illegal player) should post onto their Clan Descrpition page their playing squad for the upcoming season? That way, you stick to the players that are in your squad and if they aint available then they don't play!
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