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Why should they keep in touch with foreign customers if they have a representative?
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Because, as has been discussed before, they don't keep their representative up to speed on things ...... Sz cannot usually answer the questions posed to him because HE DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER. There is no communication and this ends up frustrating all involved on the Underworld side of the fence.
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Imo any kind of boycotting won't turn attention on this board but it will only end up with closing the server.
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That is one of the two possibilities, but then again with the sheer amount of players leaving and putting bad word out about the state of play in Underworld, that is a distinct possibility anyway ..... or are you saying they should just milk it until it falls apart on its own? (which judging by the reaction on here isn't all that far away)
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Another reason of your system problems is that most of the problems were already discussed on polish board. Now, when a topic appears, it usually is closed by a moderator in few minutes.
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Oh yes, discussed on the Polish board ..... if you read up top thats one of the big problems. WE are not a Polish server with primarily Polish players, it is the UK server with INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS. As such we have a range of play styles, etc, etc, etc AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOT POLISH.
So lets look at the Underworld boards for solutions to the Underworld problems (Thats the English board) and quit it with the crap about Polish/English comparisons.
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There are exceptions. The "joining clan with is taking over a square is forbidden" rule came up from Elisabeth. Also the author of the new set of tattoo graphics was inspired here 
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The only exception you have stated there is the clan/siege rule .... how many more can you think of? How many others were run past the players on the Polish servers and thrown out because THEY didn't like them? (C47 is a regular visitor to the Underworld forums, and as stated at the top of this thread is not one of the targets of the comments herein)
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Zeruel
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Hmm, it would be interesting if the Japanese started a similar topic.
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as this is the most viewed thing how do i become a sector overseer
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Maybe to you, but I'm not looking out for the Japanese, or the French, or the Brazilians, or even the bloody little green men from outer space ..... This thread is about the second class treatment of Underworld. |
What is the difference? As long as you have a representative. You are complaining about contact. Maybe he doesn't know the answers because there are still no answers. For example: When will the 1.1. version be implemented? Unknown.
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There is a difference between having a representative and being represented ... if the representative is kept in the dark then its like having no representative at all ... talking about whats on the Polish Server ... or wondering if Japanese server will do something is irrelevant ... the relevant point is on THIS server you have very unhappy players ... and as a company the solution to that is meet the players partway ... show some concern for their opinions ... and treat ALL your customoers equally ..
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Answers is but a small part of it, read through the threads .... just about any of them in this part of the forums ..... and you'll see that the problem is far deeper rooted than communication.
Look at the balance of the game, something which has been brought forward and IGNORED for the last 6 months or more ..... mind you, why should they do anything about that, they have a representative here and that makes it all better.
The fact that things that work on the Polish servers don't always work here ..... oh yes, they have a representative here ..... that should make it miraculously work.
I could go on (and on, and on, etc) but I think that suffices to say WHY they should be communicating with us.
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lol roostie 
do the technican guys have a life. do they have an account on bw . gendibal when r u leaving i have 2 say all this in 1 thing cus zureal sed hell ban me
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I'll be deleting the account in between 1 and 3 weeks, depending how long it takes me to get rid of all the gear
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of getting rid of the gear?
Other people are still playing the game, and ever since I formed bootcamp I've been trying to help other players ..... therefore if i sell it on it doesn't go out of the system for them. That way my time hasn't been wasted completely.
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@fishy do not spam this topic
Well, I must agree with Gendibal in everything. I am really getting pissed off by devs not answering to our complains/suggestions/concerns. I know there are just two of them. Konrad and SushiMaker, one programmer second one ideas and game system creator. I know they are busy and therefore they have their representatives on French and UK server, but the lack of answers from them is simply not acceptable and even if they reply they gave very vague and general answers. Oh, but don't forget they still managed to make around 10 000 posts together on Polish board, even they are busy as hell.
I am really getting tired and bored of this game and I am afraid even the announced patch won't change it judging from the informations they posted about it. The patch is maybe adressing some of the issues, but not all of them and I think it will bring more problems and complains. As posted someone above me, game which isn't cared about by their authors is destined to die one day. When I am looking back at all the changes I cannot see any significant change which improved my gameplay. And yes, If you don't know how to treat your customers don't try to run a bussiness.
This game was fun at the beggining when everything was new, but now after 1 Year of playing I am getting bored. Seriously. I was decided to stay as long as possible, but when I saw certain players leaving I started to think if it isn't time to depart also for me.
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gen ur time wasnt wasted, nor will it go in vain, ur doin what should b done, ur helpin r voices b heard, sellin gear or not, ur makin the biggist difference in this game,
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kk does any1 like in the shadows by the rasmus
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One of the biggest differences I hope, but I think Mortis just added to that quite considerably in that last post.
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Zeruel
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Originally posted by TerminusEst
There is a difference between having a representative and being represented
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Can you point out the difference clearly so that an idiot like me can see it?
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... if the representative is kept in the dark then its like having no representative at all ...
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True, but you misunderstand something. It's not that he is kept in dark. Do you really think that they have a secret that is known only on polish players and it won't leek here? For me it's ridiculous. On the other way we have language barriers. Maybe they can't discuss the problems simply because they don't understand what you are saying.
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talking about whats on the Polish Server ... or wondering if Japanese server will do something is irrelevant ... the relevant point is on THIS server you have very unhappy players ... and as a company the solution to that is meet the players partway ... show some concern for their opinions ... and treat ALL your customoers equally .. |
Why is it irrelevant? I just wanted to show that it's hard to treat all equally because of our language differences. In other words. Would you really study 49 languages to say "hello, I be admin" if you can just employ someone?
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u no the film i am legend, at the end it says we're will smiths legacy, well when gendibal is gone, and we'll still b fightin 4his words, we'll b his legacy, cus hes brung us all 2gether 2aruge the fact we're mistreated
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fishy warning for spam. What's the connection between in the shadows by the rasmus and the topic?
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The fact that things that work on the Polish servers don't always work here ..... oh yes, they have a representative here ..... that should make it miraculously work.
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Who said that it works
Balance is something hard to achieve. It's almost impossible in fact.
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we've all gone off topic now, so whats r plan of action 2get r selfs sort out on here?
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just been chatting, he told me he might be quitting this week.
PLEASE DO SOMETHING
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yeh sw3294 but i cant randomly ask some1 else.
any1 who nows y do they put a duplicate on the auction. this is stupid cus u get less stones i am forever running out of stones becus of this
u cant get rid of it but its really annoying
any ideas???
Haven't you heard about netiquette at all? You still don't get that this topic isn't about random questions?
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Zeruel
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Representative = someone to represent you
Represented = someone able to represent you effectively (and if there are language barriers then this isnt the case)
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When I use a dictionary "represented" seems to be a simple transformation on representative.
Representative = someone to represent you
Represented => it's not even a person, it's just a characteristic of someone who has a representative and I see your context very stretched
If your version is true then we have a serious language barrier therefore how do you expect to talk with me?
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And Szeszej is a translator as well. The thing that was strange to me was the first post where we could could read that "Szeszej and C47 don't count". That's why I thought of the Japanese example.
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It is Irrelevant to this server and the concerns put forward by the players here ... to the company it isnt irrelevant to their overall marketting strategy ... but here on Underworld it is.
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This is something I completely agree. For your information the variety of server types increases. There are two game systems. And the newest r7 PL is a mutation of both so it can almost be recognized as a third type. Another question. What is the purpose in wasting money abroad if probably all those servers wouldn't fit to local players. It better to make one and see if it's successful and then try some varieties.
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zeruel can u punish sw3294 cus he gave me a warning for the same thing u did
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a mass strike would certainly get their attention, as would stopping paying premium. P.S. am on the internet VIA my PSP so i cant type fast :S 
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no not sw3924 actually evangelon
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The fact that things that work on the Polish servers don't always work here ..... oh yes, they have a representative here ..... that should make it miraculously work.
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Balance is indeed something that is hard to achieve, which is what makes their IGNORANCE of the players from Underworld even more unbelievable.
We have made numerous suggestions for systems which would go towards balancing Underworld, but they have been shot down each time because they haven't even been looked at and acknowledged.
And here you stand defending that ignorance for the simple fact that 'They have a representative here'. As for learning 49 languages, I didn't say they had to, but bringing the Japanese into it was irrelevant because I know for a fact that Konrad and Sushi understand, read and write English perfectly well.
So if you're going to try those tricks, think about what you're saying first please
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There are two game systems. And the newest r7 PL is a mutation of both so it can almost be recognized as a third type. Another question. What is the purpose in wasting money abroad if probably all those servers wouldn't fit to local players. It better to make one and see if it's successful and then try some varieties. |
Ooooooh, you've come to hitting the nail RIGHT on the head ..... why waste money abroad? Obviously they saw a reason in the beginning, but if you're going to market your wares abroad, surely you TEST THEM OUT IN THE MARKET YOU INTEND THEM TO SELL IN ..... Hell, why not open a bar in Saudi, theres a huge gap in the market there ......... oh hang on, theres a reason for that, and a little RESEARCH would tell you what it is. Same thing with marketing Bloodwars abroad, it should have been BETA TESTED with a range of INTERNATIONAL players before being hastily rushed onto the market (Microsoft anyone?)
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I can also write perfectly well but it takes a lot more time than on polish board. Firstly it's a bit unnatural to use a foreign language. Secondly I have to use a dictionary almost all the time to avoid misunderstandings. In fact it takes about three times more time that a post in my own language when I try to explain my opinion.
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Ooooooh, you've come to hitting the nail RIGHT on the head ..... why waste money abroad? Obviously they saw a reason in the beginning, but if you're going to market your wares abroad, surely you TEST THEM OUT IN THE MARKET YOU INTEND THEM TO SELL IN ..... Hell, why not open a bar in Saudi, theres a huge gap in the market there ......... oh hang on, theres a reason for that, and a little RESEARCH would tell you what it is. Same thing with marketing Bloodwars abroad, it should have been BETA TESTED with a range of INTERNATIONAL players before being hastily rushed onto the market (Microsoft anyone?) |
I am not defending them. All my posts are neutral (are at least I tried to make them like that). I don't know why they've done steps like that and why wouldn't they open new servers. I simply can't read in their minds and my influence in the company's future is as good as 0
I've also pointed other reasons that were ignored.
a) They work on other things.
b) They have their own life.
a) They have a huge list of unfinished propositions/patches/bugs and other stuff.
b) If the representative means nothing to you that they should be robots working 24/7 on all boards answering the same questions, problems and suggestions.
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Testing a Server Abroad is all well and good .... but you have to listen to the input from the players abroad ... this forum is filled with posts of player input .... and they have gone largely ignored have they not? .....
you now have top 100 players leaving ... deleting their accounts and many others will no longer activate premium options .... the fact that they are still posting should tell you they like the game ... and a modicum of attention to their concerns would make a successful server ...
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So fair game.
