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nelacar
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ur sayin put all the items of players quittin into a raffle of sorts.i like dat idea.at least all the items will be put back into circulation insted of just dissapearing.

03-16-2008 21:21

stryke1
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omg after all of this row about lack of blood they decide to implicate... "fresh blood" now it costs us 50% more blood to regenerate... granted its not permanent but it wont exactly help the situation now will it.

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03-17-2008 09:18

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03-17-2008 10:21

robocop116
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why cant we just buy blood we have so mutch money all the time it would be cool if we could buy blood and people.

03-20-2008 16:58

Artoir.
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Because only a few weeks ago there was a problem with money when "Junk" was introduced.

If you rely on one for the other, the former resource will be thrown off balance as well

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03-20-2008 17:03

Practice
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exactly they effectively become the same resource (like stones and money kind of have now).

03-20-2008 21:59

bobalob57
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one thing i think would sort the problem out is when you have under 500 blood, it can no longer be looted, in ambushes or seiges. also, this is a game about vampires, why not have it so we can sacrifice people for blood, or make ambushes on empty squires to get a limited aount of blood

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03-21-2008 09:23

Jimferatu
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Thread Starter Thread Started by Jimferatu

I think the situation from my end has improved very slightly over the last couple of weeks, so perhaps the rush to build marketplaces did have something to do with it - However its gonna be a cold day in hell before I get back to have 20,000+ blood in my account again!

I've had to purchase the whole emerald set just to get the blood productivity bonus! Big Grin

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03-27-2008 11:06

Cthulhu
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Ah-ha!

quote:

I've had to purchase the whole emerald set just to get the blood productivity bonus!

So you're the one I've been bidding against. Big Grin

Seriously, I agree the situation is slowly improving with the blood - but I also agree with Bobalob -

quote:

why not have it so we can sacrifice people for blood

- we are vampires after all; I read most of the previous debate on this & possibly the people / blood ratio is too fine a line for this.

Also, I agree with Caprio -

quote:

when you have always 10k+ blood you don't need to worry about anything

- it shouldn't be easy to get blood or else you wouldn't worry about doing your attacks or upgrading your buildings.

Mortis probably hit on the best idea -

quote:

Another idea could be, that number of people will influence the production of blood. More people more blood.

- if our people production also gave us a blood bonus, then that shouldn't upset the balance.

So for example, every 100 people created by the buildings generates 20 L of blood; which I don't think is too high a ratio? (welcome debate on this)
That should then give people who are really desperate, enough blood to do a couple of attacks, or join a siege, etc.

Of course, as theheraldofogc so logically points out - one aim of the game is to learn to ration your blood supply, so you don't run out. You don't always have to use arcana during attacks, and if you do only attack inactive players then you are only going get dribbles of blood in return.

Phew - this is a interesting subject! Tongue

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03-27-2008 13:48

bobalob57
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that would be quite a good idea as people do produce blood, althoagh all you need to do is constantly do quests and not use arcane, as well as building up your blood boosting buildings, im not sure if i should say this as im surly gunna get ambushed but im lv 34 an iv got bout 40k blood (waits for the ambushes to pour on top of me)

03-27-2008 13:58

Cthulhu
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lol - Bob, you surely are asking for trouble...

I on the other hand, have about 1k of blood (patiently waits for people to stop attacking me... yah, like that's gonna happen) Tongue

BW Team - This may seem like a silly question (as some valid points that sort of answer it have already been posted):-
Why is the amount of blood generated by buildings so low?

An extra 5 l/h every time I upgrade my slaughterhouse is a little bit pathetic. And as for the extra 3 l/h from the surgery - why is it lower than the slaughterhouse?? I can't wait to build a hospital; what will that give me - an extra 1 l/h?

I know you want to encourage us little bloodthirsty vampires to fight; but come on, do you really think that generating a little more blood is gonna stop us beating each other up? Evil

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03-27-2008 19:30

fool
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i am now buying the emerald set
the emerlad by it self doesn't give good attaking bonus but does give some blood which is needed
but now i never us anca excpet for the odd attack and sieges
but i have to attack the lower levels when i want some blood

03-30-2008 13:25

diochawolper
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thanks to my square i dont have this trouble.
because the blood comes to me,there are a bunch of people trying to ambush me but thanks to my high police station i almost always win.
i have around 60k blood now.
so im fine

03-31-2008 16:51

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*goes to Bwych clan to see if I can attack Diochawolper* DAmn, You're too low level for me Frown

I'm having great problems, and I dont bother attacking lower levels anymore because I know that one day they will rise up the rankings and whoop my rear Tongue

lol

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03-31-2008 17:26

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Anyone else has loads of blood? This looks like a great source Smile

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03-31-2008 19:13

kralen
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iv recently just moved back into zone 3 and the difference is unbelievable, in zone 4 i had around 5000 blood average, but as soon as i moved bk to zone three and the constant attacks im back to no blood, already today iv had 9 people attack me. Zone 4 is flooded with blood tho, iv found a few nice sources, hence the start of a new thread by some unhappy lower players lol.

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03-31-2008 19:20

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I have carried out 9 attacks in a row, trying to see if it makes a difference between the top 50 and 150-200 ranked players (something I don't like doing) and not one attack has given me any blood!

All I keep doing is apologising for attacking the lower ranked players - which I'm sure they're naffed off over!

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03-31-2008 23:15

theheraldofogc
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Small players from big clans seems to be the key.

They end up with the best squares (without lifting a finger to do it > Frown

Sorry but I'm a self sufficent player and not a scavenger player so I'm biased), and benefit from successful looting seiges.

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03-31-2008 23:23

Death_Reborn
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To prove a point, as my "friends" at COI think I have Natwest Blood Bank stamped on my forehead, it's not just the lower ranked players that are farmed - I get attacked twice a day by most of COI in the in the top 30

HIT POINTS 180 / 611
BLOOD POINTS 0 / 239

This is now pretty much how it looks all the time, so I have no option but to search the lower ranks for a donor!

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03-31-2008 23:43

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quote:

Originally posted by Death_Reborn
To prove a point, as my "friends" at COI think I have Natwest Blood Bank stamped on my forehead, it's not just the lower ranked players that are farmed - I get attacked twice a day by most of COI in the in the top 30

HIT POINTS 180 / 611
BLOOD POINTS 0 / 239

This is now pretty much how it looks all the time, so I have no option but to search the lower ranks for a donor!

That's just tactless! You'd think COI would at least farm .DB. since they're at war Tongue

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03-31-2008 23:51

Gendibal
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It goes exactly the same way with most clans ..... BC get exactly the same treatment, and I would imagine that most others below do as well.

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03-31-2008 23:55

Szeszej
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Blood problems are meant to increase in higher zones as you gain less blood from quests and have less people to attack.

You don't need blood always so saving some quests before the 2nd phase of a siege or making someone attack you and be defeated in the same situation will really increase your hp on a siege Wink

. Also you can try to find a bloodfarm in lower zones and attack him/her when you need to.

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04-01-2008 02:02

theheraldofogc
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Of course, the all time Favourite Shoddy Tactic Award goes to anyone who farms the lower level players of the clan you're seiging.

Yeah, er, it wasn't me!

Ah, who'm I kidding. I'm a vampire! Not the Easter Bunny! > Wink

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04-01-2008 03:07

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Taken from the thread "Annoyance"

quote:

Now this one's a shot in the dark, but hear me out.

I think we can all agree the blood problem gets progressively worse as you go further up the ranks (perhaps not in all cases, but this seems to be the general consensus).

Higher ranked players are having to "farm" weaker players so they can regenerate their HP.

But this means less PoP from ambush, therefore slowing down overall progress.

As you go further down the ranks, the situation isn't as bad, with fewer ambushes being spent trying to find blood, i.e; The lower ranked players progress at a faster rate than those much stronger than them.

Perhaps this COULD, with stress on the word "could", start rebalancing the rankings over the long term.

I hope this doesn't merit a warning for spam, it's relevant to this post

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Gendibal
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It is possible that it could start to rebalance the game, but the problem is the same as the points situation, only in reverse ....... the gaps between the 'haves' and 'have nots' is too wide to work with (reversed from points in that the 'haves' are the low levels)

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04-01-2008 09:55

Artoir.
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That's true, but if the "haves" start to catch up with the "have nots", they themselves will start to become "have nots", but will hopefully bring alot of blood with them up the rankings.

A long term plan needs to be through about, and just as you said Gendibal, not suddenly pumping thousands of litres of blood into the game.

Our consumption of blood is too high and the supply cant cope.

When I first started playing I was using full arcana every ambush. Since the crisis started, I only use arcana in defense.

If everybody did something even this small, imagine the difference?

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04-01-2008 10:00

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Same here Artoir, except it has got so bad that I don't even bother using arcana in defence anymore, most people don't get through (pretty much always 30% chance against me) and those that do beat me anyway...

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04-01-2008 10:58

Artoir.
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Excellent point, think I'll be changing my AI in defense lol

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04-01-2008 11:05

Scillage
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Lol, and from doing that (cue all the attacks) I have 8k Blood...

Roll Up, Roll Up, New NationWide Blood Bank Here, Thats A New NationWide Blood Bank Here.

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04-01-2008 11:09

Artoir.
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Jees I havent that amount in a long time.

Im not so bad, the majority of melee players dont get near me and its only those with 70+ perception that really do me any harm (Diablo Tongue

).

But like I said, I appreciate the lack of blood currently so as long as I'm not getting farmed twice a day by the same player it's cool.

@Scillage: :LAWL

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04-01-2008 11:16

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I do think that the blood problem is doing a good job of putting the brakes on.

Super players can't just walk in to a seige on demand and single handedly wipe the opponants.

The further you advance the more tactical you have to be with your ambushes and quests while it's a 24 hour party for the first couple of months, doing whatever you felt like (I miss them days...).

Gamewise, it slows down the super players.

Storywise, the ancient vampires are far more powerful but also become sluggish and withdrawn as they require more and more blood just to move compared to the younger and more energetic breed.

This reigns me in where my rise is otherwise meteoric. I'd been farmed within an inch of my life and I want to upgrade my Old Market but now I have to slow down a bit and accumulate first instead of doing whatever I feel like.

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04-01-2008 15:32

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quote:

Originally posted by theheraldofogc
Storywise, the ancient vampires are far more powerful but also become sluggish and withdrawn as they require more and more blood just to move compared to the younger and more energetic breed.

According to every vampire legend I read the older the vampire the more powerfull he/she becomes.

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It's going to be very difficult to upgrade your market as I can't see anyone holding onto blood for too long - and soon as someone realises you have a stockpile, you're history

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04-01-2008 15:56

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quote:

Originally posted by diablo

quote:

According to every vampire legend I read the older the vampire the more powerfull he/she becomes.

You even quoted me saying "powerful" Tongue

Just thinking long deep sleeps here while the younguns run around. Ancient vampires taking a long time to become active.

Blood = Coffee.

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04-01-2008 16:35

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The lack of blood though is tremendous the most blood ive had in the past 2 weeks is 18000 litres and this is from farming low leveled players like yourself Artoir Smile

(diablo attacks you cause i told him you had blood Big Grin

) but this amount of blood only seemed to last 2 days this was without hardly using arcana in attack or defence just for a few expo's here and thier but im back down to about 400 litres now. we cant survive now with the huge demand for blood in and around the top 100, something has to change. I like the idea of farming people when blood is needed because atm i have around 1.2million people this would come in handy farming people if this was the case Tongue

something has to change fast. Or the dev's will lose all players because of the blood loss

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04-01-2008 16:58

Artoir.
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Well in fairness, I havent had 18k blood for a LONG time Deathstar. And that's with no Arcana at all.

The only reason I havent been quite as bad as the rest is because of the low chance of successful ambush http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=86325b24d4

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yep looks that way it must be just hard on melee then cause gunners dont seem to have a big a problem as melee.

i was originally a sniper then changed to assassin both of these are bad because the new patch hasnt come yet

gunner bad because you can never win against melee in attack

melee bad because you cant get at the gunners for blood :/

either way things have to change from my point of view

P.S. srry Artoir for the ambushes next time ill attack with guns if it makes ya feel better Smile

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04-01-2008 23:23

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most guns though when there not upgrded are rubbish, so i just use my long bow +5 for now, and composite bows are so hard to get.

anyway back on subject

i have 50K Blood WHOOOOOOOO

(damn i should not have said that now im gonna be attacked like hell darn)

LOL

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