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Its absolutely ridiculous, all muslims get in this country is hate...
9/11 this, suicide bomber that...
Bloody idiots going around saying, 'oh yeah, lets burn some qu'rrans' [spelling?], cartoons of the prophet [although, granted, i did laugh at the southpark episodes.]
And now when some muslims burn a poppy, they get 'Oh thats outrageous, why in gods name did you do that? Thats so distasteful and offensive...'
No wonder us brits have a disgusting international reputation.
Ive seen so many people saying things along the lines of 'muslims go home' because of this, but i feel those people who say that are the ones who should leave the country!!
Even a brazilian man in a rush gets shot dead because of the hype about bombers!
[/rant] Yes it was an aweful event, but please look at ourselves before you give all these intolerant jokes/rhymes/words.
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Originally posted by OTNC
Its absolutely ridiculous, all muslims get in this country is hate...
9/11 this, suicide bomber that...
Bloody idiots going around saying, 'oh yeah, lets burn some qu'rrans' [spelling?], cartoons of the prophet [although, granted, i did laugh at the southpark episodes.]
And now when some muslims burn a poppy, they get 'Oh thats outrageous, why in gods name did you do that? Thats so distasteful and offensive...'
No wonder us brits have a disgusting international reputation.
Ive seen so many people saying things along the lines of 'muslims go home' because of this, but i feel those people who say that are the ones who should leave the country!!
Even a brazilian man in a rush gets shot dead because of the hype about bombers!
[/rant] Yes it was an aweful event, but please look at ourselves before you give all these intolerant jokes/rhymes/words.
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All you can say is that Britain is to blame.. Thats pretty much what you just said there, i dont go into other peoples countrys to burn things.. i dont go into other peoples countrys to destroy things..
I wouldnt label myself a racist but to do that and have banners saying "british soldiers burn in hell" is absolutely disgusting when THEY come over here?
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All you can say is that Britain is to blame.. Thats pretty much what you just said there, i dont go into other peoples countrys to burn things.. i dont go into other peoples countrys to destroy things..
I wouldnt label myself a racist but to do that and have banners saying "british soldiers burn in hell" is absolutely disgusting when THEY come over here? |
Ive seen 5x more 'burn in hell british/american soldiers' posters from [white]british/american protesters.
*Sigh, evangelical christians.*
The protesters in question also had posters such as "British soldiers: terrorists", which from the perspective of the average iraqi bystander, is true.
But i recognise and understand your point. However, if i went to stay in Germany, i'd think it was ridiculous to see people burning fish and chips and telling me to go home.
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Has it occurred to anyone posting about how they 'should go back to their own countries' that these people might be born and raised in Britain?
Islam isn't a country, Muslim isn't a nationality, it's a religion.
I don't agree with what they did, but the people who died in the wars supposedly died in the pursuit of freedom, which includes the freedom of expression, regardless of how horribly they choose to do it (Excepting illegal behaviour of course).
It's the age-old English arrogance showing through on this thread that i take exception to.
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I have a rather radical idea here ... bring back proper exile and deportation procedures, then treat things on a situation by situation basis.
If someone comes out with a placard saying 'our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell' or any similar comment that would have been considered treasonous before the treason laws were conveniently disposed of then they're automatically saying that they are not British in any way shape or form. Deport them to their country of birth, if that country of birth happens to fall within the UK, then strip them of the British citizenship they so despise and exile them outside British borders. And that applies to people of ANY race, religion, colour, creed, gender or even underwear size.
Get rid of ALL the extremists like this and that gets rid of the problem to a greater extent.
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Honestly, I find that poem simply appalling.
I can understand the anger towards people who, out of religious hate or extremism, try to disrupt the public peace and target national interests.
But as some already said in this thread, one bad apple doesn't mean the whole basket is rotten. All the Muslims I know are angry at extremists for giving their religion a bad name. And even though I'm pretty sure your poem will have zero impact since the chance of anyone from Islamic groups watching the BW forums is null, but it's that exact same kind of attitude that creates even more tensions between ethnic and religious groups.
Their attitude already creates a lot. Your attitude, similar to anyone who associates "towel heads" to the whole Middle East, doesn't help make it better.
People nowadays tend to think that their national interests are at risk because groups of other ethnicity or religion want to change the way things work or are becoming too dominant in their society. Well the fact of the matter is that we live in a world of globalisation, and the first step towards integration is to stop talking about integration.
How can someone be "integrated" in a society if he's constantly reminded that he's not from there, and that the way to being a part of it is paved with milestones that each represent another layer of differentiation ?
Sure, I also wouldn't be very happy if someone took a dump on the tombs of my country's veterans. But my country hasn't been the best example of a model of integration. I'm French, and France was at one time one of the greatest colonial empires on the planet. Well no wonder we made so many people angry. Great Britain is exactly the same, and they continue to further that impression by siding with the most colonial force of the new age, the US, in their conflicts abroad.
Why would Muslims respect UK soldiers if UK soldiers can't respect Muslims ? Why would French ex-colonies respect the French government when our government never respected their right to freedom ?
What goes around comes around. Simple and easy.
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Also, i just noticed you posted a link to the story.
From the sun.
That says it all.
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Originally posted by Gendibal
I have a rather radical idea here ... bring back proper exile and deportation procedures, then treat things on a situation by situation basis.
If someone comes out with a placard saying 'our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell' or any similar comment that would have been considered treasonous before the treason laws were conveniently disposed of then they're automatically saying that they are not British in any way shape or form. Deport them to their country of birth, if that country of birth happens to fall within the UK, then strip them of the British citizenship they so despise and exile them outside British borders. And that applies to people of ANY race, religion, colour, creed, gender or even underwear size.
Get rid of ALL the extremists like this and that gets rid of the problem to a greater extent. |
So silence all dissent? Who judges what is extreme?
Sounds like the first steps of fascism
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Originally posted by Gendibal
That depends on your definition of dissent ... my way of seeing that is that dissent of the form we've been seeing from some extremist groups crosses the line into treachery and treason ... but thanks to various factors we no longer have a law to protect against that. Protest is part of the backbone of democracy, but there is a point where it turns into more than just protest and should then be dealt with in a stronger manner. |
Who decides where that line is drawn?
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If someone comes out with a placard saying 'our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell' or any similar comment
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So a placard is beyond protest?
Not a fan of Voltaire i take it?
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Originally posted by Gendibal
In which case I would respond with 'you must then be a fan of Crowley', because if you are proposing that there should be no lines in protest, then we may as well subscribe to the philosophy of 'Do as you will be the whole of the law'. |
I was merely making the outrageous suggestion that a placard might be a legitimate form of protest.
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Words can be far more devastating weapons than any other, so although an innocent placard may indeed be a legitimate form of protest, and in a great majority of cases is, the words that are written upon that placard must be looked at in terms of inciting violence, hatred and any other factor which would quite possibly lead to illegal acts (incitement is or should be just as much of a crime, if not moreso, than the crimes it promotes).
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Words can be far more devastating weapons than any other, so although an innocent placard may indeed be a legitimate form of protest, and in a great majority of cases is, the words that are written upon that placard must be looked at in terms of inciting violence, hatred and any other factor which would quite possibly lead to illegal acts (incitement is or should be just as much of a crime, if not moreso, than the crimes it promotes). |
I agree on this, but when the UK allies itself with a country that allows congregations to burn qur'ans or allows its army to invade countries on the basis of national security on the other side of the world, well it better be ready for various storms coming its way.
If some are allowed to speak their minds in terms of politics or religion, why would others have to keep their mouth shut based on the fact that it's not their "home" ?
Religion has no home, neither do thoughts and beliefs. At least that's what humanity is supposed to be about.
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Originally posted by Gendibal
Words can be far more devastating weapons than any other, so although an innocent placard may indeed be a legitimate form of protest, and in a great majority of cases is, the words that are written upon that placard must be looked at in terms of inciting violence, hatred and any other factor which would quite possibly lead to illegal acts (incitement is or should be just as much of a crime, if not moreso, than the crimes it promotes). |
And as far as i am aware, there are existing laws to safeguard against that happening.
Saying 'burn in hell' or any variation doesn't seem that bad to me, possibly because i'm an athiest, so imaginary land isn't that threatening for me.
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Atheism is as valid as any other belief, but last time I looked England was an Anglican country, and that changes the playing field.
I personally live in a majority muslim area, and have no problems with the people round here, in fact I have a lot of Asian friends of multiple faiths ... they are friendly, personable, and perfectly willing to be part of a mixed community. And the fact that I am agnostic doesn't factor into their opinions either.
Endonium, I condone neither side of extremism, and whether it is an arab, white, martian or deep sea diver, if they come out with the same sort of ---, then they should be treated the same way. And as to allying with the US in certain wars, that was a governmental decision, so why would the extremists pick the public to pay for that? Because it is designed to scare the government, in fact it is designed to strike terror into the heart of the country ... ergo terrorism and terrorists.
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ok firstly :
i like a good debate but if this one turns racist i will close it straight away.
next : my opinion.
im all for freedom of speech and expression. but there has to be a line. i believe that the few who did decide to burn poppies are stupid, because in BUYING them in the first place, they are supporting the very reason we have rememberance sunday for because of where the proceeds go. they may as well have burned their own money.
those who stand and display signs and shout abuse when our soldiers are coming back in their eternal slumber, that is just sick. respect the dead. if you have something to say, say it in an environment where it will be accepted or met with reasonable debate. not on a street full of british people who are mourning their dead family/friends/soldiers. how can you expect to be met with anything but anger in that environment.
islam is a religion of peace. so those who are violent in the name of islam obviously dont know their own religion too well.
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| those who stand and display signs and shout abuse when our soldiers are coming back in their eternal slumber, that is just sick. respect the dead. if you have something to say, say it in an environment where it will be accepted or met with reasonable debate. not on a street full of british people who are mourning their dead family/friends/soldiers. how can you expect to be met with anything but anger in that environment. |
That was my exact intention in my post reply to OTNC, im not a racist man, but its absolutely disgusting what theyve done
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| those who stand and display signs and shout abuse when our soldiers are coming back in their eternal slumber, that is just sick. respect the dead. if you have something to say, say it in an environment where it will be accepted or met with reasonable debate. not on a street full of british people who are mourning their dead family/friends/soldiers. how can you expect to be met with anything but anger in that environment. |
That was my exact intention in my post reply to OTNC, im not a racist man, but its absolutely disgusting what theyve done |
What who have done? And it does sound like a man who has burning issues inside?
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| RE: A little poem for the Muslims who wanted to ruin this year's Armistice |
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afghanastan has never been occupied by another countries forces in its history, we have, still think we're favourites in this one? \O_o/
also how dare these people burn some poppies herp derp!!
how dare they not be sad that the soldiers responsible for bombing civillians and making execution videos of people of the same religion as they are have died..... hurrrrrr
i'm sure the soldiers showed the people of wherever they're invading great respect when they carpet bomb them or when they administer beatings/executions for fun, what real classy and respectful guys they sure are!
please do not bring this or any other fearmongering waste of time article (from the oh so reputable sun newspaper) that you happen to come across to anyone else's attention ever again. There is enough of this --- in the media as it is, we don't need --- who've been spoon fed this --- trying to cram it down the enlightened folks who see the bigger pictures throats.
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I see that you're not one of those people who 'see the bigger picture' ... People are entitled to their opinions, and the adults in here will bring them to the table in mature and open debate, as we have been doing up til now.
If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion junior, then go to bed while mom and dad talk.
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I reported this thread long before this post, but thats ridiculous!!!
Close this thread its an embarassment to the board!
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This went way over the board.
Waaaaaaaaambulance, warning for swearing and offensive comments.
Gendibal, warning for swearing. The word you used wasn't very nice in that context.
Paranoia, warning for swearing and spam. What do drugs have to do with the discussion?
Unholy Emperor, warning for offence. It's not polite to start such discussions. It was meant to be a flame war from the beginning... Plus, that's not a solution at all.
You've all disappointed me with this discussion...
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