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FlashAOD
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Perc is handy aswell. I wouldn't just ignore the fact a headband gives loads more perc :-p
There's alot of ways for extra dmg such as a p+1 cape
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12-22-2010 20:36 |
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kralen
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i think she talking about the fact that females dont get the option to increase their damage on a head slot where as they always get an option on chest and legs
kilt/skirt = 1 every 4 levels at p+1 (both male and female)
cape = 1 every 4 levels at +p1 (both male and female)
bandanna = 1 every 4 levels at p+1 (only male)
on this matter then yeah females will always have less damage without looking at prefix and surfix of the item.
perc is always good for hitting higher mobs but once you ca hit them you need to start looking at increasing damage and im guessing thats what alyat is looking at.
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12-22-2010 20:46 |
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alyat
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yep thats it^^
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12-22-2010 20:47 |
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fool
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yea but females can do melee better a trade off
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12-23-2010 00:17 |
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Hav'nt you guys heard the "saying"?
Boys are better than Girls!!
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12-23-2010 00:46 |
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Foxy
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I have been aware of this imbalance for a long time.
I would recomend you invest in trying to get a deadly haedband of prego
It will give you quite a bit of dmg at high level and a ton of percept, a lot more than we can get =)
I belive the stats needed arn't too bad
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12-23-2010 01:04 |
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theheraldofogc
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I would expect you CAN get it to balance.
Able to hit higher mobs, while being harder to hit from ambushers.
But I would also expect it to be an uphill struggle at times.
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12-23-2010 01:22 |
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DraGan
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I'm a level 82 1h gunman female. And i realised around 1 month ago i kinda wasted my time with upgrades and merging, because i will never be able to be as efficient as male chars. Especially on Basilisk's, XR and Anubis.
Yes i do own a P+1 elvish cape and a P+1 skirt of shepherd and a deadly headband of preco. And my criticals on anubis go for 10-35 damage.
I see only 2 solutions to this problem. The devs either add weapon damage bonus on crown or circlet or they allow to change female chars to a male by cutting 30-60 premium days.
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12-23-2010 06:46 |
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sqeshu
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@ DraGan
I'm sure you do not finished your build yet (switch titanium on hawks nd check it
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btw 82 level is optimal for medusa
, so its not best example with anubis
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12-23-2010 06:55 |
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DraGan
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quote: |
Originally posted by sqeshu
@ DraGan
I'm sure you do not finished your build yet (switch titanium on hawks nd check it
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btw 82 level is optimal for medusa
, so its not best example with anubis
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First i would like to point out that you spied me in my defense setup. It has nothing to do with my expo setup.
And take a look at this one, http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=798ff1a90d , i don't see any level 107+ in that expedition. So if you can get the XR badge at 85, i think i'm allowed to be able to hit them as well at level 82.
Also i don't think you understand that if i chose to use a hawk's set i would give up on solar set and 4 hits (At P+1). That would gimp me even more.
The main reason female gunman chars would be gimped is because the devs didn't give an alternative to a P+1 hat with damage. In my opinion P+1 crown or circlet should have damage bonus.
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12-23-2010 08:30 |
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alyat
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hey great
this is a good discussion
thanks to everyone
pls go on...
@DraGan
i aggree with that there should be a unisex p+1 dmg bonus for hat
or
maybe should be a equivalent to soalr in jewelry set which not reduces the def to 0
so male couldnt wear it with p+1 kilt
or
maby headband should get 1 extra attack at p+1
@foxy
i allready have a deadly headband of precoc
Deadly Headband of Precognition (+5) CLOSE
Defence: 5
Effects: APPEARANCE +10, PERCEPTION +21, chance to hit with melee weapons -52, TOUGHNESS -7, all weapons damage +10
Requirements: LEVEL: 54 (60), STRENGTH: 49 (54), APPEARANCE: 18 (20)
Value: 49 150 Lgo
Value: Nanites 247, Mana 709
look at
Perfect Bandanna of Caution (+1) CLOSE
Defence: 27
Effects: minimum damage of all weapons +5, maximum damage of all weapons +8, APPEARANCE +17, PERCEPTION +20, damage of all weapons increased by 1 for every 4 levels, chance to hit with melee weapons -45
Requirements: LEVEL: 57 (64), STRENGTH: 49 (54), APPEARANCE: 38 (42)
Value: 10 025 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1110, Mana 1686
both have nearly same requirements
but look which is better^^
it still at least 15dmg less than with bandanna (at lvl 76)
and every point of dmg is for a 1h gunner really important
deadly will not increase dmg like the p+1 bonus of bandanna each 4 lvl
the str requirements of the headband will grow extreme
maybe late with pre/suf jewelry its possible to wear a str 69 item^^
how much perception do i need to hit a mop?
with solar i get enough to hit nearly everything^^
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12-23-2010 09:16 |
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FlashAOD
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The main reason female gunman chars would be gimped is because the devs didn't give an alternative to a P+1 hat with damage. In my opinion P+1 crown or circlet should have damage bonus. |
But why should they all give equal oportunities for everybody? Female guns get more perc to hit. makes get more damage.
As Sqesh said which everybody seems to have ignored if you use s hawks set that's dmg increase 1 for every 4 lvls aswell
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12-23-2010 09:22 |
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Orem
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
As Sqesh said which everybody seems to have ignored if you use s hawks set that's dmg increase 1 for every 4 lvls aswell |
Yes, but when, as a female player, you use Hawks, you lose damage, because Solar is better than Hawks for gunman.
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12-23-2010 09:32 |
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Cthulhu
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I am not a 1h gunner, so can't give useful advice, but my thoughts on the matter are:
Yep females don't get as much damage as males, but they get more perc - deal with it, Devs ain't gonna change it; nor are they gonna give you the option to change your sex whenever you want.
So, compensate by training your wisdom; or merging armour that gives damage -- elvish/deadly cape of assassin/deathsower --- yes, I know that males can also do this, but we all know it ain't easy or quick to merge this stuff, so just because people can make an item, doesn't mean they do. I'm still trying to get a P+1 bandana at lvl 84, and having no luck 'cos I either get outbid on the auctions, or my upgrades fail.
I also think thats the point Squishy was making when he said about optimum mobs for your level; this game also compensates for the slow growth players; if you hit your optimum level mobs, then by the time you get around to being optimum level for XR & Anubis, you will have merged & upgraded & trained enough to do the damage required.
Just a thought.
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12-23-2010 11:09 |
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DraGan
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Originally posted by Cthulhu
I am not a 1h gunner, so can't give useful advice, but my thoughts on the matter are:
Yep females don't get as much damage as males, but they get more perc - deal with it, Devs ain't gonna change it; nor are they gonna give you the option to change your sex whenever you want.
So, compensate by training your wisdom; or merging armour that gives damage -- elvish/deadly cape of assassin/deathsower --- yes, I know that males can also do this, but we all know it ain't easy or quick to merge this stuff, so just because people can make an item, doesn't mean they do. I'm still trying to get a P+1 bandana at lvl 84, and having no luck 'cos I either get outbid on the auctions, or my upgrades fail.
I also think thats the point Squishy was making when he said about optimum mobs for your level; this game also compensates for the slow growth players; if you hit your optimum level mobs, then by the time you get around to being optimum level for XR & Anubis, you will have merged & upgraded & trained enough to do the damage required.
Just a thought.
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So you are saying because i'm a female i have to wait until i'm level 102 to do well against Basilisk's or XR's? Atm i'm alot weaker comparing to male gunman with a P+1 hat. That doesn't sound fair to me whatsoever.
I been thinking for a while now and to be honest only solution is changing my tattoo path. I'm fully aware that the devs will never make the changes i suggested.
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12-23-2010 11:19 |
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sqeshu
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@ ataya - i still disagree, i understand you, you want more damage, but many ppl wrote you about perception bonus with headband (13 more -= lets count how much point of progress u have to spent for this).
one of way for damage
make perfect cape of orchid +1 - perception bonus from headband will balance minus from orchid suffix here you can get more damage. ( advice free )
dragan,
level and owned stuff its not all, thats why i get xr badge on 86 level
(diablo get badge for robot without p1 bandanna)
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12-23-2010 12:15 |
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sqeshu
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i gave you alternative - perfect headband of precog 45 perception, perfect cape of orchid +1 +40 dmg
male can use bandanna and orchid - 15 perception less and 20 dmg more.
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12-23-2010 14:53 |
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Mortis
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The problem for male gunmans isn't the kilt, but ironically the bandanna.
Perfect Kilt of the Shepherd (+1)
Pants (Only for males)
Defence: 23 @ level 96
Perfect Bandanna of Precognition (+1)
Helmet (Only for males)
Defence: 27
Anyway I don't think there is anything else you can make to compensate for the bandanna in case you want to increase your damage. Maybe some female only jewellery is giving something but for now no one knows about it.
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12-23-2010 15:23 |
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alyat
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Originally posted by sqeshu
i gave you alternative - perfect headband of precog 45 perception, perfect cape of orchid +1 +40 dmg
male can use bandanna and orchid - 15 perception less and 20 dmg more. |
u say it
but this is not a real alternative
15 per vs 24+ (it will increase euch 4 lvl) dmg^^
and i will loose the 29% critchance and the 42 agi from elvish cape
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Originally posted by Mortis
The problem for male gunmans isn't the kilt, but ironically the bandanna.
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Anyway I don't think there is anything else you can make to compensate for the bandanna in case you want to increase your damage. Maybe some female only jewellery is giving something but for now no one knows about it. |
the def bonus on p+1 kilt will not countet?
defence increased by 1 for every 4 char levels
Perfect Kilt (+1)
Pants (Only for males)
Defence: 20
Effects: APPEARANCE +19, AGILITY -2, LUCK +4, damage of all weapons increased by 1 for every 4 char levels, defence increased by 1 for every 4 char levels
Requirements: LEVEL: 46, STRENGTH: 37, AGILITY: 46, TOUGHNESS: 55
Selling price: 6 900 Lgo
Value: Nanites 565, Mana 1402
than 2 items cause tattoo problems for males^^
but easy to correct with best jewls
think u are right
there is no chance to compensate the advantage for male right now
a female only jewellery could fix it
or a headband p+1 bonus
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12-23-2010 15:43 |
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Mortis
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It was counted but Shepherd suffix gives minus to defence.
Perfect Kilt of the Shepherd (+1)
Pants (Only for males)
Defence: 23
Effects: APPEARANCE +19, AGILITY -2, LUCK +4, damage of all weapons increased by 1 for every 4 levels, defence increased by 1 for every 4 levels, PERCEPTION +28, TOUGHNESS -5, defence -21, chance to hit with melee weapons -35
Requirements: LEVEL: 51 (79), STRENGTH: 41 (64), AGILITY: 30 (46), TOUGHNESS: 36 (55)
Value: 76 200 Lgo
Value: Nanites 841, Mana 2240
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sqeshu
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alyat, do you know stats for perfect orchid +1 ?
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12-23-2010 18:58 |
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bulldozerlf
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Want damage ? Change tattos simple as that
T3h D0z0rz strikes critically with Legendary Perfect Sniper rifle, xxx takes 507 damage.
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