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NouveauNosferatu
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Problem description:
I have always been under the impression that item defence and character defence are 2 seperate entities.

If so, there's a big ol problem.

I have just enchanted an item in my armoury which gives +40 character defence. However, when i equip it with a weapon of suicide, it zeros the effect.

How can that be?

character defence +40
items defence = 0

surely then defence should still be +40???

If not there's a HUGE error in the jewellery sets, and tbh i'd be gutted if it turns out to be this way, as the planned set-up ive been going for is essentially ruined.


EDIT:

Read through tutorial again, and realised they do say that 'suicide' effect zeroes everything bar toughness.

Then i have another question... Is the distinction between 'item defence' and 'character defence' solely to make tattoos workable?

If so, it's pretty weak, and could do with clarifying that 'items defence=0' doesn't actually limit to 'items defence', but actually includes 'character defence'.

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AS far as I remember item defence increases the stats on the item itself and character defence affects directly your character and not the item.

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But fundamentally what difference is that then? Since if you're not wearing the item, it isn't gonna give you any defence.

Plus still doesn't explain why items defence=0 also nulls character defence
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does it also do the same with titanium set defence?

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Yup, i've identified it's not specific to the item i mentioned above, so yes, this is no longer bug/problem, but it is an issue with the wording of the mechanisms in the game
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I can say that the +30 char defense from monk tattoo does not get canceled out, but the defense from titanium set does...
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quote:
Originally posted by Phaera
I can say that the +30 char defense from monk tattoo does not get canceled out, but the defense from titanium set does...


Perfect illustration of what i'm talking about.

How can character defence get wiped out in one sense but not another??

ANY chance of a reasonable explanation anytime soon?
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Maybe it works like an Aura?

Edit: Ive had a few drinks and after re-reading the thread im not entirely sure my post makes any sense :/ Sorry

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quote:
Originally posted by NouveauNosferatu
quote:
Originally posted by Phaera
I can say that the +30 char defense from monk tattoo does not get canceled out, but the defense from titanium set does...


Perfect illustration of what i'm talking about.

How can character defence get wiped out in one sense but not another??

ANY chance of a reasonable explanation anytime soon?


Char defense +X on Monk Tattoo - source Tattoo
Char defense +X on Titanium ring - source Item
Char defense +X from Enchant - source Item

Effect: items defence = 0

On polish server effect 'items defence = 0' stands for 'maximum defence from items = 0' and "from items' is a key part

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quote:
Originally posted by ilovelhx
quote:
Originally posted by NouveauNosferatu
quote:
Originally posted by Phaera
I can say that the +30 char defense from monk tattoo does not get canceled out, but the defense from titanium set does...


Perfect illustration of what i'm talking about.

How can character defence get wiped out in one sense but not another??

ANY chance of a reasonable explanation anytime soon?


Char defense +X on Monk Tattoo - source Tattoo
Char defense +X on Titanium ring - source Item
Char defense +X from Enchant - source Item

Effect: items defence = 0

On polish server effect 'items defence = 0' stands for 'maximum defence from items = 0' and "from items' is a key part


Precisely, this needs to be adjusted to reflect the true nature of the effect in line with the Polish original
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quote:
Originally posted by ilovelhx
quote:
Originally posted by NouveauNosferatu
quote:
Originally posted by Phaera
I can say that the +30 char defense from monk tattoo does not get canceled out, but the defense from titanium set does...


Perfect illustration of what i'm talking about.

How can character defence get wiped out in one sense but not another??

ANY chance of a reasonable explanation anytime soon?


Char defense +X on Monk Tattoo - source Tattoo
Char defense +X on Titanium ring - source Item
Char defense +X from Enchant - source Item

Effect: items defence = 0

On polish server effect 'items defence = 0' stands for 'maximum defence from items = 0' and "from items' is a key part


Then what is the point in having character defence on items? If it is the same as item defence it should just give item defence instead.

Or is it to prevent it from working fully with tattoos that needs a certain defence?

I personally think that logically speaking character defence should work with item defence = 0 even if the source is an item.
I mean it still gives CHARACTER DEFENCE not item defence...

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