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dtr
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Push on Dupes

Right, this is starting to get ridiculous:

Golden Chain of Misdemeanour (+4) 3 33 / x / x / x / x 2014-07-18
21:30:02 The auction has been reported
Golden Chain of Misdemeanour (+4) 3 33 / x / x / x / x 2014-07-18
21:02:39 The auction has been reported
Golden Necklace of Beauty (+3) 3 33 / x / x / x / x 2014-07-18
20:49:13 The auction has been reported
Golden Necklace of Beauty (+3) 3 33 / x / x / x / x 2014-07-18
20:36:13 The auction has been reported
Golden Necklace of Beauty (+3) 3 33 / x / x / x / x 2014-07-18
20:32:50 The auction has been reported

bit of a jump, from 2 bs to 33 bs? the last one that went for 34 was because there were 34 bids - these were all at 2bs, and someone has slapped on 15x the value. Can someone look into this please?

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07-19-2014 07:22

Szeszej
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Thanks for reporting, I'll look into it.

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07-20-2014 14:26

dtr
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Thread Starter Thread Started by dtr

Some more pushing:

http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=df604b09e1
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=bce0370e93
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=c70a2c4bf7
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=9c1f172448
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=075b1e97a3

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07-21-2014 18:10

Szeszej
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ID 70532
Character Alyat

ID 18617
Character makavelli

5 days for now, if this behaviour continues the punishment will be higher

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07-21-2014 21:21

makavelli
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U are joking right, I bid 1 bs at a time

These items are being duped by me and dtr

And the items above I was selling or is that the reason for my ban???

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07-21-2014 21:23

alyat
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lol

what???

i just bid on them cause i need some

and 33bs its not a push
thats ridicolous

didnt knew that this isnt allowed to bid on items

so give me account back! and i want a excuse for that!
its not the fine kind to get over with paying player

i want for every day that i miss full exp for me and my expoteam for all expos that i cant be join or start cause of this unknowable mistake and all missed evopoints....

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07-21-2014 21:41

alyat
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sry maka didnt know u are still duping
btw i need some gold of .... again^^ Wink

can i join duping?

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07-21-2014 21:42

sparxs
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quote:

5 days for now, if this behaviour continues the punishment will be higher

what behavior ? that two people bidding against eachother for dupe items because everyone know duping chains is the only way to get a merge done to improve other items ?...

"Good Golden Tie of the Werewolf 1 0 / 0 / 0 / 0 / 9 2014-07-14
12:08:59"

if they dupe golden of Misdemeanour and xxx of beauty at 33bs, they still would make golden of werewolf cheaper then 9ss..

"Good Ruby Amulet of the Werewolf 13 1 / 1 / 0 / 16 / 26 2014-06-07
03:36:34"

and again duping the golden items with another item at 33bs still makes merges cheaper in the long run then paying these kinda prices each time!!!

maybe if you guys had a clue about the game play and how dead the amulet market is on this server, maybe your have a slight idea how hard is it to get anywhere

now answer 1 question, is the dupe prices over priced
or are the single auctions overpriced?

you honestly need a group discussion to solve this... one person clearly is not enough!

honestly think you should undo these bans!

you guys dont do anything unless someone makes a post.. so dont pick and choose when you want to deal with something, either do it all the time, or dont do it at all.. easy has that!

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07-21-2014 22:13

Szeszej
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The behavior of putting 33 bs on an item that was previously sold for 1 bs - that's some very high increase in price and there was no bid war to justify this. If there was a bid war you wouldn't get banned, rather the person pushing the prices so high would be, but as it stands there were only 3 bids on the items.

I also think that 30bs more is not really a huge amount so that is why the ban is so short.

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07-22-2014 00:19

makavelli
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So I stay banned even tho it wasn't me bidding?

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07-22-2014 06:17

makavelli
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RE: Ban

No one is pushing the bids, there were only 3 bids and also I belive you knew the buyer.

-----Original Message-----
From: makavelli
Date: 07-21-2014 22:26
To: Szeszej
Subject: ban

I have not spoke to alyat in months

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07-22-2014 06:20

CreamZ
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push

same situation...itz a free market not private shop for all BoS members

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07-22-2014 06:46

alyat
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so if i really want an item its not allowed to bid a higher amount of bs
if i dont have the time to be online till auction is ending?

really?

33bs is nothing
look what items u can buy for 33bs and then think about...

so nearly all auction should be reported

what is an auction worth then?
so make a shop where i can buy these items for sure
and i will pay 1 or 2 bloodstones for them
or what u think how i could get them???

its a serious question... how can i get a wished item if i am not online at the right time??? is an auction useful if its not allowed to bid more to get it?

its first day of unfair ban
i will miss 2 expos tdy

so give me my 225000 missed exp, my 51 enchantpoints and my 24 missed quests!!!!!

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07-22-2014 07:09

makavelli
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quote:

Originally posted by CreamZ
push

same situation...itz a free market not private shop for all BoS members

No one Is saying it is, I have asked people on chat if they want any just pm me as I didn't want this to become a reason for a ban

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07-22-2014 07:59

Szeszej
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If your items sell for a price that is too high, or much higher (unreasonably) than before you should report that fact, using report auctions button or you will also get banned together with the person bidding.

Once again - this ban is not for maliciously increasing prices on dupes, it is for pushing meaning one person is sending a stream of stones to another person by paying more than is due for something. In this case both the pushed person (so the person receiving stones - makiavelli) and the person bidding too much (alyat) are banned. One way to avoid this ban is to report your auctions if you can clearly see that they have unreasonably spiked in price. Sometimes it means that they will be cancelled or partially reversed, but but you will be (mostly) safe from a ban.

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07-22-2014 08:09

dtr
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Thread Starter Thread Started by dtr

What? Not what I expected, I just wanted whoever was pushing prices to stop, did not expect maka to be banned... sorry Maka Frown

Also, Question: If someone else reports the auctions, can someone else - say Maka - also report the auction? Because if not, the reason he couldn't report was because I reported them as soon as I could...

Edit:

quote:

Originally posted by makavelli

quote:

Originally posted by CreamZ
push

same situation...itz a free market not private shop for all BoS members

No one Is saying it is, I have asked people on chat if they want any just pm me as I didn't want this to become a reason for a ban

I have also said that if anyone wants to join in, take a couple pieces etc to message me and I'll help too

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07-22-2014 08:34

Szeszej
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Alyat I'm sure will stop bidding too much on items. As to your question dtr I'll make sure with Konrad.

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07-22-2014 08:40

alyat
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what its not allowed to overbid an item???
what for are auctions then?

all u said is without any logic
the push is a sensless rule

it isnt allowed to overbid items but if i need some i cant get it
how should i get an item then??? tell me
and why u dont make personal trades then which nobody can disturb?

so next time i will dupe and i dont get my dupes its allowed to report all auctions i didnt got?

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07-22-2014 09:40

makavelli
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So how do I report a auction that has been reported?

This is a joke, been playing the game to long for u to preach at me about this pushing , I have done nothing wrong as a seller

No contact with the over price bidder

So the ban is rubbish

Have u checked anything out at all or just swinging ur ban hammer as usual?

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07-22-2014 10:12

Szeszej
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Let me correct myself - it's not about overbidding generally, but about UNREASONABLY overbidding (bidding too much, much more than the item is worth). This is called pushing. You have bid 33 bs for an item that is worth much less than that, that is all.

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07-22-2014 10:14

makavelli
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And I'm banned for arranging this???

So Ur posts have said about alyat bidding 33bs and myself(seller) banned for selling items with no way of reporting and no proof that it arranged pushing, as alyat said he had no idea I was the seller as he said in a previous post above

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07-22-2014 10:17

alyat
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33bs is not to much for it
i would pay double if needed

once again how in hell can i get an item if i will not be online at right time?
YES i bid a bit higher....

pls write next to every item what it is allowed to bid
i will bid maximum then and if i will be overbid i will report it cause that isnt allowed

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07-22-2014 10:26

dtr
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Thread Starter Thread Started by dtr

quote:

Originally posted by alyat
33bs is not to much for it
i would pay double if needed

once again how in hell can i get an item if i will not be online at right time?
YES i bid a bit higher....

pls write next to every item what it is allowed to bid
i will bid maximum then and if i will be overbid i will report it cause that isnt allowed

You are missing the point - the last batch of items had gone for 1-3 bs each, the only time its gone above that is in a bidding war - look at the last items to go for 34 bs, there was 34 bids on each! By putting 16x the current bid on, you are pushing the prices up, and therefore well above market value.

In regards to Maka, I don't think it is fair that he has been banned - if they were my items being sold, then I would've got the ban!

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07-22-2014 10:37

Szeszej
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quote:

Originally posted by makavelli
And I'm banned for arranging this???

So Ur posts have said about alyat bidding 33bs and myself(seller) banned for selling items with no way of reporting and no proof that it arranged pushing, as alyat said he had no idea I was the seller as he said in a previous post above

You are not banned for arranging this, you are banned for receiving too many stones and not reporting the fact right away.

This is as much explaining as I can give you, if you still think you have been banned unjustly, you can PM C47 about it.

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07-22-2014 10:39

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