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bobalob57
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i have always a ccepted farming as a part of life, its very important as it runs the economy of the game, as its through farming that blood, money and people move through the system. i have been playing for nearly a year now and have learnt to accept it, even though i am guilty of farming, but if anyone asks me to stop, then i will. as lysander said though, farming is a way of driving you on, as you want to beat the people who farm you, it also shows you what equipment people use weapon wise if your not on the board, which can help a lot. its not just the high levels that farm the low levels, i spent a week being farmed by someone with half as many points as me because he had a supperior rep set, although after a while i managed to beat him and he stopped. so if you have problems with farming try to beat the farmer, or ask him to lay off a bit, not completly stop but lay of a little
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nelacar
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well i cant say i hate [cos]
i remmeber lynne back when she was 17pts lol
we used to attack each other the whole time....
i remember asking for a truce to whicj she agreed and we actually never attacked each other since..
but i cant say id be to happy with the responce she gave hayz_moonlight.
still i rarely attack low lvls but if i do if i got a msg complaining it would piss me off slightly....
i dont get attacked much but when i do i dont fly off the handle.getting attacked is part of the game.
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10-22-2008 19:28 |
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Raxis
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| but how are lower players ever meant to overcome the players higher up when resources are constantly drained due to farming? |
Well lets think. Hespera was a lower level than me when she started, Knightroad started when I was 40 points... it makes sense. Look at how knightroad and Tiger_claw shot through the ranks, you can see that with a little luck also you can really go far.
Hayz be patient, I have been at this two years abouts and haven't broached 100 points, but you haven't been here long at all and have nearly caught me up, so surely it is possible to outstrip your betters.
Farming happens, I actually get farmed by a ranged user with 85% critical chance who is a LOWER level than me, I farmed a 220 pointer until I wa i the same clan as him, farming can go either way.... how is CESARZ meant to get resources Without attacking lower ranks
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10-23-2008 08:22 |
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Knightroad
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10-23-2008 08:43 |
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NouveauNosferatu
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Originally posted by Raxis
how is CESARZ meant to get resources Without attacking lower ranks |
Attacking yes, no problem. I just don't see why someone would hit the same target 2+ times a day.
Their resources will be gone, and the more you attack someone the less exp points you get.
There are people i attack once a day, most days. I don't see that as farming, but if one of them asked me to stop i would lay-off, provided they ask nicely.
And to go back to the topic, i don't think it's the farming as such that Hayz is objecting to, more-so the attitude of the leader, which faceeater effectively re-inforced.
You ask why you're hated, which i presumed to mean that if people maybe pointed out the errors of the clan's ways, you were willing to change, or at least take on board what's said.
Hayz made, in my opinion, a valid complaint about the attitude of your leader, and your response has been to agree with your leader's obnoxious reply. I agree with you in one respect, this thread serves no purpose.
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10-23-2008 10:38 |
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Raxis
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Actually it has shown something. That there are people who cannot cope with being attacked twice daily.
Someone asks me to stop I won't unless they provide a reason, such as one person wanting to get people together for an expo, that's simply good manners, but this is a game, get over yourselves and play instead of complaining because people of higher levels attakc you regularly.
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This is not necessarily true, because they will be attacking people too... normally I attack once in the morn and once in the eve if I can, thus they'll have replenished their resources makign them ripe for taking.
Faceeater I agree with you and Cos in this.
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i am one player that can prob count myself lucky that i dont get attacked by high players bueven if i did get attacked it wouldnt bother me unless i was trying to get resources for my expos or something like thats
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10-23-2008 10:48 |
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NouveauNosferatu
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Originally posted by Raxis
Actually it has shown something. That there are people who cannot cope with being attacked twice daily. |
Cannot cope? Hardly. Don't appreciate? Definitely.
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Simply good manners? Interesting turn of phrase considering my main point has been the manner of response from Lynne to Hayz and how it might have created ill-feeling towards her and her clan.
I re-iterate, i have no problem with CoS or any of their members, merely presenting a point of view. That being that while farming is inevitable, being partonising and obnoxious to people through messages will inevitably cause bad feeling.
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10-23-2008 22:56 |
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Raxis
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| , being partonising and obnoxious to people through messages will inevitably cause bad feeling. |
Not really. I acutally thought that if you got worked up about that then you may as well be playing a disney game, I mean honestly it's created ill feelings. boo hoo, wait til you get someone (Not naming) make a jibe about your father, THEN you can say they are ill treating, otherwise go and play a disney game, it was simply a nice suggestion to someone who clearly cannot cope with the game structure
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10-23-2008 23:09 |
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NouveauNosferatu
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Your definition of nice evidently differs from mine, and if you want to suggest that it was actually intended as helpful advice that's up to you.
I'll say no further on the subject.
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10-23-2008 23:13 |
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faceeater
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can i say hou i personally get blood,
first i go to the lowest player in z4 i can hit, next i hit the z4 just above them then above them and so on, i dont go back the same day, but i do the next day, sorry its as simple as that, if you dont want me to hit you get off that page, it means if you get a move on and jump the page i wont hit you, also i only hit until i get blood once i get it i turn my attention to expo/siege second phase, i never use blood in my attacks on higher players as its a waste, and if i attack with 0l of blood i still get results, so i only need 500/1000l of blood to do what i need, and the lower the player the moor blood you are going to have, if a player 6 pages below me has 5k blood its a good hit for me, however if that player hits 5 pages below them that player is likely to have 50k blood, you try and figure out why we hit downwards
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Cthulhu
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can i say hou i personally get blood,
first i go to the lowest player in z4 i can hit, next i hit the z4 just above them then above them and so on, i dont go back the same day, but i do the next day, sorry its as simple as that, if you dont want me to hit you get off that page, it means if you get a move on and jump the page i wont hit you, also i only hit until i get blood once i get it i turn my attention to expo/siege second phase, i never use blood in my attacks on higher players as its a waste, and if i attack with 0l of blood i still get results, so i only need 500/1000l of blood to do what i need, and the lower the player the moor blood you are going to have, if a player 6 pages below me has 5k blood its a good hit for me, however if that player hits 5 pages below them that player is likely to have 50k blood, you try and figure out why we hit downwards |
I admit - I do exactly the same - I should imagine most people do. I never hit the same person twice in a day, unless it is a mistake. The way I see it, there are plenty of people below me to attack for resources. But in honesty - I only attack lower levels when I'm desperate; because I'm more interested in getting exp from attacks; so I usually spend most of daily attacks on people who give me good exp; and if I get resources from them as well, then that is a good day! 
I guess my main reason for hitter a lower player for resources is because the attack usually gets through & is succesfull. Most of the time high level players do have resources (although blood is usually the lowest), but those attacks are harder to win.
I understand lower players get annoyed about this, but is a fact of the game. I think the real insult, is if the person who is attacking you is an a***hole about it or not. If people complain to me about me attacking them, I like to think I'm usually quite nice about it & explain why I'm doing it, & usually give them a break. And in most cases like that, the other person is usually then ok about it as well, and will understand if it happens again.
I think the main point of this discussion is not that people dislike being farmed; it is the fact that there are some people in this game who can be real jerk-offs about it, and think that because they are a higher level than someone in a virtual game, they are also a better person than them & can therefore talk down to them. And that is just ridiculous.
My words of advice? Are the same as the ones used in the film & music business:-
"Always be nice to people when you are on the way up; because you will always meet them again when you are on the way down." 
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jamess36362
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Originally posted by Knightroad
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Originally posted by Raxis
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| but how are lower players ever meant to overcome the players higher up when resources are constantly drained due to farming? |
Well lets think. Hespera was a lower level than me when she started, Knightroad started when I was 40 points... it makes sense. Look at how knightroad and Tiger_claw shot through the ranks, you can see that with a little luck also you can really go far. |
luck!?!? i worked bloody hard to get were i am now 
i swaped from gunner to melee with almost no stones and only a bandana of adrenaline and crule 2h sword; and it took me nearly 100 points to get my black dragon badge. and probs another 50 points on top of that to get my equipment i have now; when i started the BK line i was farmed 24/7 by every bugger above me and below me as i was useing a crule 2h sword and was so easy to beat it wasnt funny -.-
anyways thats why my win lose ratio is so crap. its only in the last month or 2 that my wins have over taken my loses; not long ago they were about the same.
tiger... well thats what happens when you jump from clan to clan doing expo's every day 
minshres did the same... partners in crime
as for the rest of it... meh to early in the morning
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jumping clan to clan? i would stay at DARK but expos over there are pheonixes, i gain nothing from them, so i have to go to DB, so 2 clans is hardly clan hopping, and when i go to other clans it is to gain POH which alot of players do, so are they all clan hoppers?
i worked bloody hard to get where i am, and its not like the plaers in my expos do way more damage than me, i mean i can keep up with sqeshu's damage in expos, and look in battelfield on how i have built gears to help me win more?
clan hopping my arse.
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theheraldofogc
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I can't believe people are complaining about getting ht twice a day...
Look. I get absolutely SLAUGHTERED. Sometimes twice a day, mostly beaten the crap out of by all comers.
It's a simple fact. I never really cared about my defence, only accumulating EXP. I used to hit my top marks twice a day where I could, getting as much EXP as I could, but I had to start the day the same way each time.
Find blood.
I start every single session with 0 blood. I can't remember the last time I logged on positive. Back in the day or now.
You just farm down and work around it!
Someone farmed your blood? First attack of the day: FARM DOWN YOURSELF!
The blood will circulate.
Building some options is a dedicated task. You just spend all your ambushes finding blood to do it. This, too, is a fact of the game. It isn't a problem!
Tomorrow, I'll sit down and ask myself, do I want to advance my character, or get the next Taxi and Old Market?
You don't have to build often, you just have to detour when you want it. And no-one really NEEDS a level 5 + Old Market, anything that blood intensive is pure luxery.
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10-27-2008 02:58 |
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Hayz_M
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Actually it has shown something. That there are people who cannot cope with being attacked twice daily.
Someone asks me to stop I won't unless they provide a reason, such as one person wanting to get people together for an expo, that's simply good manners, but this is a game, get over yourselves and play instead of complaining because people of higher levels attakc you regularly. |
then your as much of an a** as lynne is, you completely missed my point like some others here, i wasnt complaining about getting attacked by higher pointers everyone gets it, its a war game its expected.. i was complaining about the attitude you get from them when you simply ask them to lay off for abit as you have no resources yourself.
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| I think the main point of this discussion is not that people dislike being farmed; it is the fact that there are some people in this game who can be real jerk-offs about it, and think that because they are a higher level than someone in a virtual game, they are also a better person than them & can therefore talk down to them. And that is just ridiculous |
Cthu thats my point (: theres no need to be a complete a** about it if someone asks you to leave off attacking them for a while (: just cause your better than someone in a game doesnt mean your anything special irl, at the end of the day we all sit down to cr*p (stars there for small people who may read)
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| This is not necessarily true, because they will be attacking people too... normally I attack once in the morn and once in the eve if I can, thus they'll have replenished their resources makign them ripe for taking. |
yeah so you get enough blood to get you through the day with attacks etc. then the same person that took it all comes back & takes it all again.
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| otherwise go and play a disney game, it was simply a nice suggestion to someone who clearly cannot cope with the game structure |
like Nouveau said your opinion of nice clearly differs from others.
Most of you have missed the point of what i was saying completely & ended up twisting it to something else. Whatever i say im clearly wasting my breath with because your not getting what im trying to say anyway.
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Hayz_M: 10-27-2008 14:46.
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10-27-2008 14:44 |
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Raxis
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| i was complaining about the attitude you get from them when you simply ask them to lay off for abit as you have no resources yourself. |
Maybe so. But ultimately it's a game. You seem to be getting your knickers in a twist over a game. thing is I hate people like that, obsessives who believe they are gods gift to gaminfg. It's part of the game to be farmed, heck if someones got a husriken I'm finished, I get farmed by people higher and lower levels. You're a higher level than me hayz and I remember you farming me, did I complain? Nope. I uocld't care, if you can't take the brutal structure then don't play. My problems with this game have no orient on difficulty to get blood
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10-28-2008 01:08 |
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Hayz_M
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1) Im not an obsessive who thinks im gods gift to gaming whatever thats meant to mean.
2) IM a higher level than you?? haha ok then this sound familiar?
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| Hayz be patient, I have been at this two years abouts and haven't broached 100 points, but you haven't been here long at all and have nearly caught me up, so surely it is possible to outstrip your betters. |
stating im NOT higher than you & if I am now by one or two points I gained them yesterday & this morning.
*edits* FYI how the hell am I supposed to have farmed you when I dont even know your in game name (as its not Raxis) & according to someone else you have insane agility?? im 1h melee too it wouldnt make sense for me to go attempt to kill you when you have way more agility & the same weapon set up.. god use your head *end of edits*
& that brings us to 3.. I can take the brutal structure of the game otherwise I wouldnt play it like you said, it'd be pointless to play a game your gonna get upset or cry over, however I do neither of these.
Faceeater asked why CoS where hated I gave HIM a reason, not you, I've spoken to him & from what I can see its been resolved. You've stuck your nose in & carried it on just to get the last word in, well I tell you what you have fun here arguing with yourself, meanwhile im going to go play BW, get higher & go beat my farmers (:
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