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DarkOne
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Registration Date: 11-12-2007
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Permanently Banned Players

Wouldn't it be useful to remove them completely in order to give free spaces for others ? They are also blocking Ranks in the rankng list ... just an idea

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01-08-2008 21:02

draculaisemo
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RE: Permanently Banned Players

this has also been raised before.
after 1 month permanently banned players can appeal against their ban.
this is why they remain.

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01-08-2008 21:13

DarkOne
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Thread Starter Thread Started by DarkOne

... then it is not a permanent ban but a 1 month ban ... is there any possibility you can get your account back if you had multiaccounts ?

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01-08-2008 21:16

SW3294
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Registration Date: 12-17-2007
Posts: 65
Location: Lancahire UK
Clan: [T.B.M]

That's why I posted a thread about G-Unit the deputy and leader are both banned and only two members are left so the clan should be disbanded

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01-08-2008 21:18

Scillage
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No, you only have a slim chance of being un-banned.

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01-08-2008 21:18

draculaisemo
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it is a permanent ban, they can appeal - that means that if they were not doing anything wrong they can have the account back
this does not mean that they can have the account back regardless
obvious multiple accounters will not be re-accepted as they will have no reason to do so.

I'm sure it's possible for them to create a new account, but they wont get their own back.

SW-ive already said, there is two members left in that clan, although they are inactive, and by disbanding the clan szeszej would technically be favouring every other player and hes not allowed to do that ^^

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01-08-2008 21:20

DarkOne
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Thread Starter Thread Started by DarkOne

i was not talking about a clan ... i was talking about members got banned for multi accounts ...

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01-08-2008 21:34

draculaisemo
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Clan: BoD

quote:

Originally posted by draculaisemo
it is a permanent ban, they can appeal - that means that if they were not doing anything wrong they can have the account back
this does not mean that they can have the account back regardless
obvious multiple accounters will not be re-accepted as they will have no reason to do so.

I'm sure it's possible for them to create a new account, but they wont get their own back

so was i for the majority...

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01-08-2008 21:43

Mortis
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Then let's call things true names.. if they can be unbanned it cannot be called permanent ban.

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01-08-2008 22:12

draculaisemo
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Registration Date: 10-02-2007
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what would you otherwise call it? an unpermanent ban sounds amusing. =)

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01-08-2008 22:14

DarkOne
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Thread Starter Thread Started by DarkOne

yes but would put it more correct: anyway back to the players banned for multi acc. if they cannot get their accounts back ( which is very reasonable ) at least they could be removed ... in case of those 2 players in GU lets make the one leader and the other one deputy ...

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draculaisemo
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quote:

Originally posted by DarkOne
if they cannot get their accounts back ( which is very reasonable ) at least they could be removed

They can get their accounts back, very slim chance, but they can, and that is why they remain.

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01-08-2008 22:43

Mortis
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quote:

Originally posted by draculaisemo
what would you otherwise call it? an unpermanent ban sounds amusing. =)

Easy. Temporary ban.

As multiaccounts cannot be reclaimed back, they should be removed. Let's say after 1 month if you still insist that they have very small chance to have them back. But this leads to another question. Which one?

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01-08-2008 22:49

draculaisemo
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Clan: BoD

I dont know, I do not know all the details. What I have told you is all that Szeszej has told me.

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01-08-2008 22:55

Mortis
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I know, then I would like to point Szeszej to game regulations.

quote:

Punishment list

2. Accounts.
a. Multi account - permanent ban/account deletetion

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01-08-2008 23:10

draculaisemo
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ooh,
deletetion.

i can say nothing more, youll have to wait for szeszej, but the regulations do kinda suggest (scratch that, determine) deletion of accounts. o.O

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01-08-2008 23:35

SW3294
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Registration Date: 12-17-2007
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Location: Lancahire UK
Clan: [T.B.M]

How long have the people in G-Unit been banned so far have they had their chance to appeal if yes and they have failed then surely the clan should be disbanded and the other two are not qualified to be in chage of a clan e.g. Lv15

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01-09-2008 07:51

draculaisemo
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Location: England
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: BoD

they CAN appeal after 1 month, and if they fail, they can keep trying.
if they don't appeal, the chance still needs to be there.

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01-09-2008 07:55

SW3294
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Registration Date: 12-17-2007
Posts: 65
Location: Lancahire UK
Clan: [T.B.M]

What so if one or two don't appeal for about 2years that clan will still exist and the only way for it to be deleted is if the leader or deputy fail their appeal? Confused

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01-09-2008 07:58

Szeszej
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Registration Date: 02-21-2007
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Location: Poland
Clan: Overlords

All inactive accounts will be eventually deleted. We will be purging them some time in the future.

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01-09-2008 08:00

SW3294
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Woohoo

good thankyou Big Grin

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01-09-2008 08:04

Mortis
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Szeszej, we are not talking about inactive accounts, that's something different. We are talking about permanently banned players and BW Team should follow their own rules and regulations.

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01-09-2008 09:36

DarkOne
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Clan: BoS

Thread Starter Thread Started by DarkOne

eventually inactive players can come back and play ( see Maximus ), and besides there are a good farming source for PoP for new players.

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diablo
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From my point of view, what has been said is that permanently banned players can appeal in a month to be un-banned. Has DrG appealed? Every month? I doubt so. He is just wasting one space in top50 so I think the accont should be deleted.
G-Unit can be left as they are or some administrator can try to contact the 2 remaining members and agree on a solution.

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01-09-2008 11:27

Szeszej
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Well, permanently banned players ARE inactive so they'll also be purged eventually Smile

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01-09-2008 13:59

DarkOne
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Thread Starter Thread Started by DarkOne

ok but i was talking about not deleting the inactive; just the permanently banned players

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01-09-2008 14:55

Gendibal
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quote:

Originally posted by Szeszej
Well, permanently banned players ARE inactive so they'll also be purged eventually Smile

Theres a slight difference here, Inactive players have the option to log back into their accounts and start playing again, permanently banned players don't (unless they successfully appeal). One of the things that may actually deter players from continuing is the sheer number of banned players that are still listed in the rankings (I mean, any game with that many banned players has to have problems, right?)

It may be a prudent move to filter the banned accounts out for deletion as more of a priority than the inactives.

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01-09-2008 16:21

Zeruel
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quote:

Originally posted by Gendibal
(I mean, any game with that many banned players has to have problems, right?)

I disagree. Could you extend this thought?

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01-09-2008 17:52

Scillage
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I would have thought that it would show just how good the game was that they caught them not how bad it was that they have them. Because every game has lots of cheaters but only some are caught.

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01-09-2008 18:00

Gendibal
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ok, I'll put a game called Runescape forward as an example (even though the rankings list doesn't actually apply in the same way there). There has been a recent patch to cut down on rule breakers there because the amount of people making real world trades and having to be banned was reaching into the thousands per month. Now this was seen as a problem, and players were coming in and simply leaving because of the amount of abuse of the system and players being banned.

In Runescape, the banning was 'invisible' ..... no one actually knew for certain the figures on banned players, and yet it was seen that the game had a big problem. Now switching back to BW, the bans are 'visible' ..... anyone with the time and inclination could trawl through the player rankings and count the banned players.

Now from a personal standpoint, I would be more inclined to think a game had a problem with a high amount of visible bannings (i.e. without going to the forums and finding out why each of them had been banned). Removing banned players after their maximum appeal period would give the impression of a more active playerbase and a more efficient admin team.

Thats true scillage, however, when the caught cheats are left there it gives a misimpression of how bad the problem is ...... instead of seeing how many there are from the previous month, you can see every banned player.

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01-09-2008 18:05

Zeruel
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I am not sure about that bad image. There are thousands of players (doh, if only they had more than 1 point) but only dozens are banned. On the other hand band players are like a warning: "Do not underestimate the regulations. Read them to avoid frustration".

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01-09-2008 19:06

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This is not a matter of perception. You can think about the banned players whatever you like, but if you join a game and you see many banned players in the ranking you don't think about effectiveness of admins or cheater. It is your first impression that will get spoiled.
Love on first fight. Smile

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01-09-2008 19:25

Hespera
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Personally I'd like to see the permanently banned players removed from the ranking. They take up spots that other rule abiding players deserve. If you cheat and get banned permanently you don't deserve to be recognized in the top 50 or anywhere else in the ranking.

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01-09-2008 19:53

SW3294
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I agree otherwise they just clutter up the place and give off bad vibes lol Tongue

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01-09-2008 20:52

draculaisemo
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quote:

Originally posted by SW3294
they just clutter up the place and give off bad vibes lol Tongue

quote:

Originally posted by Hespera
Personally I'd like to see the permanently banned players removed from the ranking. They take up spots that other rule abiding players deserve.

I think that having banned players in the ranking provide a still-standing marker point for other players. No they shouldn't be recognized as an achiever or something similar, but I think that it makes good markerpoints for people, especially Dr. Greenthumb.

quote:

Originally posted by Gendibal
Removing banned players after their maximum appeal period would give the impression of a more active playerbase and a more efficient admin team.

Is there a maximum appeal period at all?
And as you have stated a few times yourself, the admin team is not efficient... so false image.

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01-09-2008 21:02

Gendibal
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All I stated on that point was a personal opinion, not necessarily a fact as I don't see what goes on behind the scenes ..... however even a false image in this case could have some beneficial effect on growth for the actual active playerbase both current and future.

Also Zeruel, to use another analogy, there can be 1 million law abiding citizens for every murderer, but who gets noticed more? Everyone has heard of Jack the Ripper, but Joe Bloggs is just another face in the crowd Smile

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01-09-2008 21:19

SW3294
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Amen to that

quote:

Originally posted by Gendibal
Also Zeruel, to use another analogy, there can be 1 million law abiding citizens for every murderer, but who gets noticed more? Everyone has heard of Jack the Ripper, but Joe Bloggs is just another face in the crowd Smile

I think you are spot on there Gendibal and the longer we bicker on and on about each others self-opinions then the longer it will take for us to reach a verdict. So I think we should some kind of voting page where people like us can voice our opinions and people other members can vote if they agree or not, and statements that achieve a high agree rate should be taken into account and maybe event have something done about them this is just an idea but I think it would increase fairness. What do you guys think?

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01-09-2008 21:34

draculaisemo
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RE: Amen to that

the idea of this section of the board is that we voice our opinions, and that people voice their opinions on the opinions and so on, and that the admins take this into account.

Only this rarely happens.

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01-09-2008 21:37

SW3294
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I just think that a seperate voting page like issue of the week or something would be an intresting addition. Smile

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01-09-2008 21:42

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