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i think the number of monsters in the other places should be incresed. both the great steppe and golden tower is almost empty already and the of the ritual becomes to big for us nomal mortal vamps to use. and the places past that must be even worse
anyone else think so?
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if there were too many expo mobs then progress would be too easy as people would constantly run them, making the rift between the top players and lower players even bigger
i did offer a possible solution to this problem but got absolutely zero response as it involved a fair bit of co-operation between clans and players.
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kinda have to agree here, it might be good to increase expo mobs in great steepe and golden tower
higher players won't do these expos as they are not giving enough xp and lower players get a chance to progress better
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ye, every time im trying to do a expo it takes me ages to get what i want.
i know u have ur service pop but as u said about peps u can't always help + it takes wuite a long time to resurect a mob#
Aka i agree =)
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@darc
ressurecting expo mobs
He done this thread ages ago, i noticed it, but i was inactive at the time. (although i woulda happily took the offer
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Anyway, this AIN'T gonna happen. As popeye said, will un-balance the game even more than it is.
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I noticed this yesterday on desert epermah 2 all of the sphynx and arachne had been killed leaving 1 noble pheonix shouldnt they of been reset?
and I agree with you darc
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RE: expo monster increase |
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Originally posted by darc
i think the number of monsters in the other places should be incresed. both the great steppe and golden tower is almost empty already and the of the ritual becomes to big for us nomal mortal vamps to use. and the places past that must be even worse
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location - cost of resurrection
Devil`s Finger 3149
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Stone Swamps 2730
Spidery Chasm 1857
Great Steppe II 686
Mountains of Wisdom 4000
Desert of Carapace 315
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When the PoH ambushes patch first came in, i suggested the top 100 or so players donate all PoH gained through ambushes to MOB respawns. |
I am sorry but this is the stupidest idea I've heard in a long time. Sorry mate, but it is true.
You have no idea how little we can earn...
EDIT2: How would those top 100 or so start their own expos then?
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Nemazis
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Diablo, he did say JUST the POH you earn from attacks. I assume you guys still siege, and also half of you have buildings that generate POH. Comon, that's more than enough, a ridiculous sized hospital, most probably a graveyard (that makes POH right... or is that Z1?)
You still get loads of POH dontcha?
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RE: expo monster increase |
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Originally posted by diablo
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Originally posted by NouveauNosferatu
When the PoH ambushes patch first came in, i suggested the top 100 or so players donate all PoH gained through ambushes to MOB respawns. |
I am sorry but this is the stupidest idea I've heard in a long time. Sorry mate, but it is true.
You have no idea how little we can earn...
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I know how much i earn, being in the top 100, and if all of us came together, it would be do-able, even if it didnt keep the MOB pool full, it would help the smaller players respawn if there was contributions being made.
And the top 100 would start their own expos with PoH gained through sieges, as mentioned. From my memory of sieges, it was generally only players in the top 100 who ever got PoH from them, the rest were cannon fodder in general.
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Instead of posting again, i'll repeat here, this idea would only work if SIEGES returned on a PoH basis.
So yes, obviously, with say 50 PoH a week from ambushes, you wouldnt be able to afford respawns, but with daily sieges you could easily afford to lose that 50 PoH, and 50 PoH per person in the top 100 = 5000 PoH total.
Now, will it make the MOB areas brimming with MOBs? No. But will it HELP lower-levels respawn? Yes
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Originally posted by Nemazis
Diablo, he did say JUST the POH you earn from attacks. I assume you guys still siege, and also half of you have buildings that generate POH. Comon, that's more than enough, a ridiculous sized hospital, most probably a graveyard (that makes POH right... or is that Z1?)
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The problem here is that you assume. And your assumptions are wrong.
More than enough? have a look at my post above and you will see how much I have to pay for a sphinx.
'Ridiculous sized hospital' is what all who has it earned and paid for. If you don't have it than it is your problem.
Why don't the 'not top 100 or so' do PoH sieges? Is it cause it is easier to blame it on the top 100? See my point?
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I know how much i earn, being in the top 100, and if all of us came together, it would be do-able, even if it didnt keep the MOB pool full, it would help the smaller players respawn if there was contributions being made. |
Those small players can ambush higher players to get PoH or arrange a siege. I have ONE stronger player I can ambush.
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And the top 100 would start their own expos with PoH gained through sieges, as mentioned. From my memory of sieges, it was generally only players in the top 100 who ever got PoH from them, the rest were cannon fodder in general. |
What Sieges are you talking about? I haven't been in a siege other than square swap for ages.
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Instead of posting again, i'll repeat here, this idea would only work if SIEGES returned on a PoH basis. |
They never left. You can do a PoH siege anytime as long as you have more than 5 people.
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So yes, obviously, with say 50 PoH a week from ambushes, you wouldnt be able to afford respawns, but with daily sieges you could easily afford to lose that 50 PoH, and 50 PoH per person in the top 100 = 5000 PoH total.
Now, will it make the MOB areas brimming with MOBs? No. But will it HELP lower-levels respawn? Yes |
Done! When I resurrect one sphinx I spend more PoH than I earn through ambushes per month...
All you ideas are based on assumptions and lazyness. You have the ability to get PoH from attacks and you still complain. You can arrange a PoH siege and you still complain. So why the hell do you want other people to sacrifice what they have earned for someone else?!
Should the top100 start building squares for the 'out of top 100' just cause they can?
How about a free attack so that you don't have to try hard to win?
You know what, perhaps on every expo there should be one top100 and one out of top100.
Open your eyes, this is BloodWARS and even thou we don't really war anymore we still attack and feed on each other.
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being top 100 doesn't mean we are responsible for the lower ranks lol
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As someone else stated a small increase in the smaller mobs would be handy, from a gold or golem down, or possibly reducing the amount to rebirth a little, not an aweful lot but a little. A huge increase would be utterly pointless as players would demand more later on. This may happen aswell with a small increase but ppl wouldnt moan as much
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09-01-2009 18:59 |
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Agresiel
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i think the origanal idea for expo was suposed to be clan orianted so for example
a clan of 15 people one of which hosts a sphinx expo all 15 come along and get around 1k exp or so
now it would be in that clans interest that if the zone was empty to impose a rule if you want to come along split the respawn as a cost that way the respawn wouldnt be much even at the many thousands
now this idea works in theory but in pratice it dont and th reason is simple
expos are not a clan activity they tend to be an activity for groups of 3-4 people who go on the same teams or as small as possible to get increased exp, which is fine but ya gotta deal with the consequenses of that
if the same clan of 15 did 5 expos of 3 man teams that could be 5 mobs dead straight away instead of just one. multiply that by 10-15 strong clans and you have wat is happening on underworld rite now, now dont get me wrong i think this is fine if ya can do it the great im all for people growing fast i really am but just realise that this is the price we pay for that
now one of the only ways i can think of satisfying all types of players and NOT increaseing the amount of mobs but making the current amount last a bit longer and maybe helping the lower players a little more whilst also making a expo a clan activity again would be
to give a generaic exp bonus to the whole expo of about 30% boost if a certian amount of players where taken in the expo, specific to the order of the expo list for example
white tower=3 players
DOS=4 players
etc etc etc
devils finger=5 players
obviously if the idea was thought a good one proper % boost and number of players needed to qualify would need to be worked out properly but you get the idea
this would reduced the amount of expos that would happen and encourage more acceptance of lower not as capable members, and prevent the eliteism that we find our selfs creating all to easily by only sticking with tryed and tested teams, it would also create a bridging gap where by lower member could climb faster
now of course this idea would need a change in programing and change is never generaly accepted by the devs but its just an idea, and the only thing i could think of that would make most corners happy (cept maybe the devs)
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Artoir.
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No thanks.
To be honest darc you've made plenty of theses "make bloodwars easier" threads and my answer remains the same with this one.
Just because you are struggling with pulling off expeditions does not mean that the game should be changed to fit you.
I am a zone 4 player with no means of additional PoH apart from ambushes. I haven't done a single PoH siege on this account yet.
HONOUR PTS 5270
Why do I have so much? I put time and effort into my account and make sure I can get 180xp from every attack I do. 18PoHX16 = 288X2 = 576 which means I have double the amount needed to do my hydra every two days.
EDIT: By the way those calculations were moreso aimed at Darc than high levels. He is around the same level as me, so if I can do it so can he.
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diablo
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Agresiel, that idea is great. But it has one big drawback. If all the clans do 5man expos then there will be no players to join those expos. It is happening now, as I am sure you are aware of.
We can complain, but I don't want to see the situation on polish servers where there are much more players and therefore more expo = less mobs = insane cost of resurrection.
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Agresiel
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you wont have to do the 5 man expos
also clans that have alot of players that cant/dont go on expos to there daliy allowance would see more action without the people hosting suffering an exp hit
it would also help the turn over of players that this game seems to have and might help with account retention, but yes as you pointed pout it wouldnt help the higher players one jot but that was not what the origanal complaint was about
tbh instead of more expo monsters maybe MORE expo locations with varying combos of monsters or some new monsters to brifge the simply game leaving gap that is the last 4-5monsters
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Hespera
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I've only ever put in poh to resurect about 2 times. When the mobs become scarce be a bit more patient because some teams are bound to fail. Sometimes you just might have to wait but I guess that doesn't go over well in an era where everyone wants instant gratification. It often seems like no sooner do you resurrect one, something is reborn anyway making the poh just spent a big waste.
Lower levels who complain it takes too long to get poh. To that I say you either need to start using premium for more attacks, start hitting higher levels or join the freaking poh sieges that are offered to you.
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Vanargand
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even if it was managed by the can leader then you would one have to wait for him to be online and 2 there is no stopping him using the poh just for the higher mobs
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darc
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well be sensable about it theres 40 whites in first expo location ive never seen it run out the sencond locations 26 blacks ive seen it low and blacks beeing brought back phoinex never runs out lol so you would only use it to bring a mob back if you really needed to plus its called donate not tax its your choice if you wish to put something in noone is forcing you to
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Hespera
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I do 5man+ expos. Bring a mix of hitters and smaller ones. Nothing wrong with that.
Oh no...i won't get as much xp
Big deal at least people are having fun. And those who like to 2-3man more power to them. Maybe once you get to a certain level it becomes necessary or maybe it's just competing to get to the top as quick as possible.
If expos are organized properly, everyone can get their chance.
I don't want more mobs. It would be convenient but if the game is made too easy it loses the entertainment value.
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Vanargand
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i mean the likes of golems where they do run out as the small ones and stuff like the arachne as the bigger ones and there's a reason the whites and blacks dont run out its because only the really low levels do them not the average player
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Vanargand
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i am not talking about you i'm talking about what woud probably happen if this was gone through with
your obviosly not listening to me
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09-02-2009 00:38 |
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darc
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first paragrarh was to hesp the second was to you.
you obvilous not reading
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Raxis
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I disagree.
Actually I think a lot of the problem is, the badges we have on this server (Diablo's) have gone far beyond that of the levels... so even though some have a certain badge we are forgetting that most are still on their optimum creature.
If that makes sense.
Not got my head in a good place right now :S But what I mean is people see x with a certain badge, but fail to see y, who is a place behind, doesn't... so they think they should be further ahead.
PoH shouldnt be easier. Expos shouldn't be easier. It shouold be as it is.... mnaybe more locations, but that's only after Diablo finishes getting his badges
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Nemazis
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Lower levels who complain it takes too long to get poh. To that I say you either need to start using premium for more attacks, start hitting higher levels or join the freaking poh sieges that are offered to you. |
*gears grinding the hell away*
I just had to say that. Anyway, i got something to say to this bit.
1. Why the hell should we HAVE to pay just so we can earn POH?
2. Not all of us can defeat these higher levels. Yeah there's always one or two you can beat, but usually that means searching through hundreds.
3. Join the POH sieges offered to us... yeah, as someone mentioned earlier, they have DIED. No-one sieges anymore. I know my clan for example, has been trying to get a siege for weeks now, but we're unable to because no-one wants them, and others won't reply. And sieging the strong clans is dumb because we won't win, sieging the weak clans means only weak people can join.
I'm all up for helping weaker players, but i would VERY MUCH like to start my own expos, using my OWN POH, which brings us back to square one. Hard to win attacks or not enough attacks, finding awesome exp = days of hunting, dying, and not getting jack sheet, and sieges which no-one does. It's a giant FAQ circle >_<
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Hespera
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I just had to say that. Anyway, i got something to say to this bit.
1. Why the hell should we HAVE to pay just so we can earn POH? |
You don't have to. It's an option! Another way to increase your poh gain. Why should those who don't buy premium get just as much those who do. I am not paying for no benefit!
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2. Not all of us can defeat these higher levels. Yeah there's always one or two you can beat, but usually that means searching through hundreds. |
Um and higher level have slim pickings . Seriously I wonder why someone ambushes me who's stronger when they only get 6 poh...but reality is they don't have much to pick from do they? So everyone has to work for poh in ambush. Imagine that, having to work for something. What a concept!
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3. Join the POH sieges offered to us... yeah, as someone mentioned earlier, they have DIED. No-one sieges anymore. I know my clan for example, has been trying to get a siege for weeks now, but we're unable to because no-one wants them, and others won't reply. And sieging the strong clans is dumb because we won't win, sieging the weak clans means only weak people can join. |
They died because people are too chicken to lose the 50 poh they complain takes too long to get...It's most often lower levels who complain about needing poh yet never take opportunities given to them. High level can't join because we get complaints that we hog all poh. Which way to you want it?
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I'm all up for helping weaker players, but i would VERY MUCH like to start my own expos, using my OWN POH, which brings us back to square one. Hard to win attacks or not enough attacks, finding awesome exp = days of hunting, dying, and not getting jack sheet, and sieges which no-one does. It's a giant FAQ circle >_<[/b] |
I'm all for helping people get badges but that's not how it goes down. People expect higher level to just kill everything for them when they get no xp. I think people forget that high levels used to be smaller at one point too. Who helped them get badges? They did it on their own! Got better on their own! People should not complain about high levels doing golds when they still get good xp from a phoenix/red or a hydra!
People just need to quit asking for everything to be easier. Hell I did it once too with the act 2 patch I freaked. Then I figured out I need to get better and try harder not whine and expect everything to be handed to me on a silver platter!
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darc
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am not. i remember why ppl complaned there wasnt enough white dragons then there was 40 put in it so its ok for the higher ups to ask but not ok for any one else.
v. 1.0.0.0 23 November 2007
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2) this is about expo mobs not poh so dont make it into it i never said i didnt have poh just lack of mobs to run an expo
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Hespera
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Poh became involved because it's crucial to starting expo and resurecting...but fine let's not get off topic. I think there should not be any changes. And to be honest I think those that are 2-3 manning things are only asking for the devs to go in and make it harder in expo so they may want to be careful with that. Plus all the smaller teams eat up the mobs faster.
If you want more expos. Be faster when they are reborn or be patient. If you put more in then more small teams will eat em up faster and you'll still get no where.
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Hespera
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I'm a trade mod and can't make one in this section but maybe one of the others will.
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Ba_al
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the way i see it
if more mobs are put in they will be killed just as quick
think about it atm ppl have to ressurect them..keeping some ppl away(lack of poh/ppl etc)
with more mobs they wont have to ress and can do them normally
either way the mobs are still goin to be killed quickly....
just be quick off the mark.........
ima doin an arachne expo atm..how long till their gone(thers only 7 of them)
after that i go back to golems/gold/hydras........
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Artoir.
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still have a better chance than i do now and it would also keep the res cost down a bit
yeah i know poh is crucial but it started to become a thread about how to get it to start expo not what the thread is about. do you think i could get a vote on this by chance and let the seaver speak?
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HONOUR PTS 5270
Why do I have so much? I put time and effort into my account and make sure I can get 180xp from every attack I do. 18PoHX16 = 288X2 = 576 which means I have double the amount needed to do my hydra every two days.
EDIT: By the way those calculations were moreso aimed at Darc than high levels. He is around the same level as me, so if I can do it so can he. |
and when did i say i didnt have poh to run an expo??? i said there was no mobs to run an expo diffrent things completely |
My point was I still have enough PoH to regen mobs when I need to, I should have made that clearer apologies
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