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Raxis
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Who pays for music?

I was wondering, who dowloads music and who buys CD's. Or more precisely, who buys CD's, who dowloads without paying and who pays for their downloads?

I prefer to buy my CD's, I love having them on the shelf, I think it looks good. And I also like to be able to listen to them, whether on my PC or not. I know you can burn MP3's but that's effort. I've payed for all my music, I only have three tracks that are downloads, two of which are J-pop, and even those I paid for.

The reason I ask is because it's interesting, and also some bands, especially one I've been listening to, of whom I will provide a sample, have had to break apart because they cannot aford to keep going, due to downloading for nothing.

This is the band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sBtgtK4ZCU

But yeah, basically who, other than I, pays for the music they get?

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09-19-2009 22:23

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i always download music to check out a band and if i like it it gets bought as a CD

if i dont like it i delete it....

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Se that's a good way of doing it. I youtube a band first

Thumbs up Tongue

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09-19-2009 22:30

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RE: Who pays for music?

To be honest i mainly bluetooth tracks off peps to my phone then if my pc feels like working i download to pc.

I do buy CDs also and i like putting the drags on pc then mixing my fave songs on one disk =).

Well im cheap (and scint) but good 4 u Raxis, i might start paying more once i get a job =)

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09-19-2009 22:44

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I download stuff and reupload it again to youtube ( for promotional purposes only )

I do buy cds the odd time but seeing as how my music taste isnt exactly catered for in your local hmv i tend to buy it from download stores, but i do also get some stuff for free, i has connections xD

09-19-2009 23:31

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I do buy cds the odd time but seeing as how my music taste isnt exactly catered for in your local hmv i tend to buy it from download stores, but i do also get some dstuff for free, i has connections xD

Neither's mine mostly. I hunt through internet CD stores Tongue

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09-19-2009 23:33

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Originally posted by Raxis

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Neither's mine mostly. I hunt through internet CD stores Tongue

2 much hassle tbh, i just go straight ot download store. I will occasionally file share in order to get some sneaky leaked tracks before they are released

09-19-2009 23:36

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Fair enough. Download store at least means you're paying Tongue

Hehe I hate seeing good bands, singers, groups ect. being pulled under due to lack of funding

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09-19-2009 23:39

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Originally posted by Raxis
Fair enough. Download store at least means you're paying Tongue

Hehe I hate seeing good bands, singers, groups ect. being pulled under due to lack of funding

Yea its sly, but very little will change when its availabe for nothing

09-19-2009 23:41

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like yourself raxis

i do like the look of my cds on the shelf hehehe

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i feel naughty now Wink

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09-19-2009 23:41

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wtf is paying for music? Confused

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quote:

Originally posted by AngryTiger
wtf is paying for music? Confused

an old wives tale i heard

one of those urban legends you hear about i think

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did i hear paying for music, thats ludicris(sry for spelling i'm kinda drunk) i down like nearly everythin on my pc and its not the horible youtube downs either, i also down practically everythin on my pc from games to photoshop

09-20-2009 00:23

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Lulz at teh n00bs admitting to gettin teh warez on public forum

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quote:

Originally posted by Artoir.
Lulz at teh n00bs admitting to gettin teh warez on public forum

n00bs how dare you mr.artoir

were cheap not n00bs Wink

09-20-2009 00:28

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quote:

Originally posted by Ba_al

quote:

Originally posted by Artoir.
Lulz at teh n00bs admitting to gettin teh warez on public forum

n00bs how dare you mr.artoir

were cheap not n00bs Wink

i'm not cheap, its just the effort of gon to the store that is no longer here and extravision is a rip-off

09-20-2009 00:29

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quote:

Originally posted by Ba_al

quote:

Originally posted by Artoir.
Lulz at teh n00bs admitting to gettin teh warez on public forum

n00bs how dare you mr.artoir

were cheap not n00bs Wink

I'm not condoning nor condeming, I'm simply pointing out it will not be cheap at all for anyone if they get their internet turned off by their ISP and/or fined for admitting to such things on a page that can be read through google Wink

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quote:

Originally posted by Vanargand

quote:

Originally posted by Ba_al

quote:

Originally posted by Artoir.
Lulz at teh n00bs admitting to gettin teh warez on public forum

n00bs how dare you mr.artoir

were cheap not n00bs Wink

i'm not cheap, its just the effort of gon to the store that is no longer here and extravision is a rip-off

etravision is the pits

we have "anthem music" "tracks"(the size of a shoebox) "xtravision" and

whatever tescos happen to be selling lol

can never find the music i want in any of them tis all clubland and such

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quote:

Originally posted by Artoir.

quote:

Originally posted by Ba_al

quote:

Originally posted by Artoir.
Lulz at teh n00bs admitting to gettin teh warez on public forum

n00bs how dare you mr.artoir

were cheap not n00bs Wink

and this is the advantige of having a static IP =D

09-20-2009 00:32

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quote:

Originally posted by Artoir.
Lulz at teh n00bs admitting to gettin teh warez on public forum

File sharing is perfectly acceptable, i get previews mostly, half the time from the artists themselves Wink

09-20-2009 14:51

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lmao, liar! Nexus much Tongue

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old cds in HMV for 16 quid, chimaira and the like.

would you pay for this?

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lmao, liar! Nexus much Tongue

Nexus isnt a cd Tongue

09-20-2009 18:28

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quote:

Originally posted by OTNC
old cds in HMV for 16 quid, chimaira and the like.

would you pay for this?

most cetainly not =D

09-20-2009 20:47

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old cds in HMV for 16 quid, chimaira and the like.

would you pay for this?

If I want the CD then yes I would. Steel Panthers 'Feel the steel' was 6.99 in HMV. It depends on the band and the CD, Death Magnetic also came out cheap. But yes I would pay that, or if I was bothered I would look online for cheaper, but I'd still pay for the CD

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09-21-2009 02:28

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People actully pay for music? lololol...

I will own up to illigally downloading music, i dont care... sue me, only thing they will get from me is a middle finger
The entire music indestry is a massive rip off, why should 1 person have hundereds of millions of pounds/dollors for a few albums when half of them use machines to make there voices better anyways, there nothing more than con men. i would much prefer to give money to people that "deserve" it or need it, like starving africans and gods known as game designers

I have paid for a cd once in my life (maybe twice? perhaps the shock was to much for me to remeber), and it was a present for someone else
I couldent sleep for a week after Tongue

And before people go on about live aid to save starving people, what a bunch of Muffin... they get paid to do it AND the people that run/preform that con show could fix an entire country and it would barely dent there bank balance

Long live illigal downloads

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09-22-2009 11:55

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quote:

Originally posted by Knightroad
The entire music indestry is a massive rip off, why should 1 person have hundereds of millions of pounds/dollors for a few albums when half of them use machines to make there voices better anyways, there nothing more than con men. i would much prefer to give money to people that "deserve" it or need it, like starving africans and gods known as game designers

The voice of sense & reason!

The music industry is a huge con. If bands can't "afford" to produce their own music in this age of micro-management & home-mixing, then they clearly ain't producing music that anyone wants to listen to!

As for bands that are "signed" to corporates - they are all sucking satan's black worm. I'm glad people can download their stuff for free - recorded music should be free!

I am happy to pay to go to see live music - but recorded - get stuffed.

(ps - for all those recording company laywers that are trawling to the net to find people admitting to illeg downloads - YOU ARE THE WORST BLOODSUCKING LEECH MONKEYS OF ALL - grow a conscience & get a real job you muffin-lickers!) Big Grin

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09-22-2009 12:46

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The music industry is a huge con. If bands can't "afford" to produce their own music in this age of micro-management & home-mixing, then they clearly ain't producing music that anyone wants to listen to!

As for bands that are "signed" to corporates - they are all sucking satan's black worm. I'm glad people can download their stuff for free - recorded music should be free!

I am happy to pay to go to see live music - but recorded - get stuffed.

Lots of people want to listen to a lot of it Cthulhu, normally though it gets found after the band gets dragged under. When they aren't on a label they have to pay out for everything, and good recording is done in a studio, not at home, another thing you have to pay out for. It's easy to see how you go into debt when you aren't working over that time.

Now then, you are basically saying then that musicians shouldn't be paid? Would you do your job for nothing? A computer games designer, wel surely it's the same principle, most of the money for the games doesn't go to them, so why should I bother paying? I could illegally download it. It's exactly the same principle.

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they get paid to do it AND the people that run/preform that con show could fix an entire country and it would barely dent there bank balance

You have a very skewed view of how it actually works don't you.

EDIT: Good man Aud

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09-22-2009 15:34

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Originally posted by Cthulhu

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But how will recording artists have time to make music with the 2 jobs they are holding down just to survive? Tongue

if u made something ppl want then of course you are going to sell it...why not Tongue

09-22-2009 15:34

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Reply to both AudT & Raxis.

AudT - if you can make something that people wanna listen to then play it live & make your money that way. If you can't play it live.... then it ain't worth money - you are a "bedroom artist".

Raxis - don't try & lecture me on the music business.... I know what of I speak - I was in a struggling band for 10 years, and was royally shafted by one of the precious labels that you are so desperate to line the pockets of with your money.

I have no issue with bands forming their own labels & producing their own music - and studios can be sourced relatively cheaply if you shop around. However, the majority of small labels usually sell off bands to the larger lables as soon as they show even the smallest inclining of making any cash from the deal. And larger labels are "owned" (not always literally - but the majority are) by the huge labels, who will own your soul once they own your contract... little puppet muscian dancing on your strings.

Yes, there are exeptions to the rule - there always are. There have been a number of bands that have produced awesome studio albums. But I think you'll find that 99% of them were also bands that could easily make a living from playing live.

Muscians can easily make a comfortable living out of performing - but most chose not because they either can't, or it is too much like "real" work.

Or they can rake in a relative pile of money (depending on their popularity) from screwing you by charging you for a recording of it.

No, I would not do my job for nothing. I'm not saying that muscians should. I am saying that you/we should not have to pay for recorded music - 85% of the profits from which go pretty much to everyone except the performer. Because once the record label has your signed contract - they manage your finances. They spend your money for you - that's the money that you, the consumer, are paying out everytime you buy a CD.

If you wish to support labels buy paying for recorded music, then you are welcome to do so, but do not try and tell people, or yourself, that you are supporting the artist. Because in most cases, you are not.

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09-22-2009 18:57

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ok i do ilegally download but thats cuz i'm a cheapskate, honestly you have to be retarded to think that, Most bands are not as rich as you might think its only the absolutely huge bands that get rich from there music

EDIT: You do realize they make very little money from seling CD's anyway (mostly because of illegal downloading)

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09-22-2009 19:36

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Originally posted by Cthulhu
Reply to both AudT & Raxis.

AudT - if you can make something that people wanna listen to then play it live & make your money that way. If you can't play it live.... then it ain't worth money - you are a "bedroom artist".

Raxis - don't try & lecture me on the music business.... I know what of I speak - I was in a struggling band for 10 years, and was royally shafted by one of the precious labels that you are so desperate to line the pockets of with your money.

I have no issue with bands forming their own labels & producing their own music - and studios can be sourced relatively cheaply if you shop around. However, the majority of small labels usually sell off bands to the larger lables as soon as they show even the smallest inclining of making any cash from the deal. And larger labels are "owned" (not always literally - but the majority are) by the huge labels, who will own your soul once they own your contract... little puppet muscian dancing on your strings.

Yes, there are exeptions to the rule - there always are. There have been a number of bands that have produced awesome studio albums. But I think you'll find that 99% of them were also bands that could easily make a living from playing live.

Muscians can easily make a comfortable living out of performing - but most chose not because they either can't, or it is too much like "real" work.

Or they can rake in a relative pile of money (depending on their popularity) from screwing you by charging you for a recording of it.

No, I would not do my job for nothing. I'm not saying that muscians should. I am saying that you/we should not have to pay for recorded music - 85% of the profits from which go pretty much to everyone except the performer. Because once the record label has your signed contract - they manage your finances. They spend your money for you - that's the money that you, the consumer, are paying out everytime you buy a CD.

If you wish to support labels buy paying for recorded music, then you are welcome to do so, but do not try and tell people, or yourself, that you are supporting the artist. Because in most cases, you are not.

So why not have other ppl work for a cut price?

When you put time and effort into creating a studio album why would u give it away for free, why not just perform live and reach a limited audience? bypass studio albums altogether, probably gunna have to with the job they will be workin inbetween live performances. Why should studio albums and tracks be free? I for one would appreciate a pay check after putting the effort in

09-22-2009 19:51

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So why not have other ppl work for a cut price?

When you put time and effort into creating a studio album why would u give it away for free, why not just perform live and reach a limited audience? bypass studio albums altogether, probably gunna have to with the job they will be workin inbetween live performances. Why should studio albums and tracks be free? I for one would appreciate a pay check after putting the effort in

Hahaha - cut price? Totally agree with you though - but if you can make the record shops, managers, producers, promoters, and pethora of hangers-on only work for a few percent of your sales price, then you are a better man than most!

I can't remember the exact percentages, but I think from a 10.99 CD, the artist usually makes less than 99p.

That is my point.

Don't fool yourself that you are supporting artists by purchasing albums from retailers - you are not - most of the time you are only fattening up the companies. Frown

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09-23-2009 13:29

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i Meant why not have ppl from other professions work for less? either way you put your arguement it doesnt make much sense. Why should artists make less money that they are entitled to?

And in relation to labels getting fat etc... look at labels first, make sure its the right one. Probably best to use an indie label, that way u get most of the money

09-23-2009 13:45

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Don't fool yourself that you are supporting artists by purchasing albums from retailers - you are not - most of the time you are only fattening up the companies.

Retailers? Most of my CD's come directly from the official sites themselves.

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I can't remember the exact percentages, but I think from a 10.99 CD, the artist usually makes less than 99p.

It still adds up Cthulhu. It still is money that could be used.

Not to mention if a band does it all solo, then they're allowed to dictate a much higher cut, as opposed to the record label dictating. but they also have to pour in their own funding. So having that little extra is much better for them

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Tenticals; voice of sense & reason? LOLOLOLOL!?!?!?! Tongue

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quote:

As for bands that are "signed" to corporates - they are all sucking satan's black worm. I'm glad people can download their stuff for free - recorded music should be free!

I am happy to pay to go to see live music - but recorded - get stuffed.

Ahmen.

I have seen prodigy, chase & status, pendulem and a few other people/bands/groups live and it was well worth the fortune i paid for the tickets. the memory's from the gigs will stay with me all my life (or until the reefa blows my mind completely Shocked

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i refuse to pay for a CD thou... so much for so little
I have bought music DVD's of recorded live preformances thou, much better than listening to CD's i think

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09-24-2009 04:47

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Put it this way, if you made something, could be anything, would u give it away for free and rely on something else for an income...when you could make a fortune on what you have made? no...no you wouldnt. I find it kinda funny that music artists are expected to create studio albums for free.

And knighroad, its not "so much for so little" unless you get a stupidly small amount of tracks for an obscene amount of money. 10-15 quid is hardly a fortune. Mabye you dont appreciate music as much as others if you need to have visuals accompanying the music?

09-24-2009 12:51

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Personally, i have downloaded music in the past, but it only accounts for less than 10% of my overall music collection.

My problem with illegal downloading is not that artists will not get paid if i'm honest, it's that any horse-licker with an internet connection can have instantaneous access to any music they choose, and then bum and blow about how they're the number one fan of whatever flavour of the month they've chosen.

I've personally amassed over 1000 CDs in the years of listening to music, as it's been a gradual experience. It grates me when someone who has known nothing of the music hears a song, downloads the discography and then insists on telling you about all the tracks you haven't heard of as if you're a numpty.

I'm not a numpty, i just dont download EVERYTHING with indiscriminate glee.

09-24-2009 14:23

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Personally, i have downloaded music in the past, but it only accounts for less than 10% of my overall music collection.

My problem with illegal downloading is not that artists will not get paid if i'm honest, it's that any horse-licker with an internet connection can have instantaneous access to any music they choose, and then bum and blow about how they're the number one fan of whatever flavour of the month they've chosen.

I've personally amassed over 1000 CDs in the years of listening to music, as it's been a gradual experience. It grates me when someone who has known nothing of the music hears a song, downloads the discography and then insists on telling you about all the tracks you haven't heard of as if you're a numpty.

I'm not a numpty, i just dont download EVERYTHING with indiscriminate glee.

Lol, that used to happpen to me alot, really really annoying. I occasionally download music but i also buy it aswell. Only reason i can see for some ppl downloading more than buying is that the music they want isnt available anywhere close to them and downloading in less than 5 mins seems to be a better option that wait a week for it to be delivered. This happens ith the music i listen to, but as i said i do also buy music, more than i download

09-24-2009 14:35

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Originally posted by AudatiousTitan

Lol, that used to happpen to me alot, really really annoying. I occasionally download music but i also buy it aswell. Only reason i can see for some ppl downloading more than buying is that the music they want isnt available anywhere close to them and downloading in less than 5 mins seems to be a better option that wait a week for it to be delivered. This happens ith the music i listen to, but as i said i do also buy music, more than i download

True, but do you mean legal or illegal downloads?

I was specifically referring to people who illegally download. They dont have to pay for, it means nothing to them, and they just amass hard drives stacked with music they will probably never listen to.

This doesnt apply to everyone who illegally downloads, but it really does amount to a significant amount of them.

Can't afford it = Shouldn't have it. Recorded music is a luxury, not a right.

09-24-2009 14:43

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