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1, if they used explosions to find water then yes, it was stupid. Probably an epic fail 
2, The law of physics prevent such minor things as 2 explosions to shift moon from its place. Bear in mind it's size...
3, Implosion? lol, how?
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Also how would the removal of the moon prevent night time???
Someone needs a quick lesson in Physics 101
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Also how would the removal of the moon prevent night time???
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Artoirs right
Earth turns, one sidefaces sun (day) opposite side faces away (night)
Moon is just like a mirror so night is not pitch black
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dumbist thing iv ever heard hahahahahahahaha no malics ment
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Hey
Ok I'm a kinda of Science buff (and I really like Astronomy) so here is my 2 pence worth.
Firstly - " rockets hitting the moon would cause the equilivlent damage to say - a pin price on your skin - It really does nothing.
Secondly - Looking for water on the Moon had already been discounted as the atmosphere around the moon is just too weak to sustain any form of water. Also the materials and core of the moon itself have no process of producing water. Ice also can't form on the moon as you need an atmosphere to create ice.
Secondly - The moon moving off it's axis - Wouldn't happen from 2 rockets. You would need an impact the size of a small meteriorite to cause this shift - also remember that the moon is moving away from the earth at the rate of 1/4 inch per year. (plz correct me if I am arong on this) So the moon if coming away from it's rotation of the Earth (Moon is too big to be held in perfect orbit).
If the moon was to dissappear - the following would happen :-
Tides would vertially all dissapprear - these are caused by the gravitation force of the moon moving round the earth. This would have some impact of the eco system of the earth as tides move the water round - without the water moving it would staggnate.
The moon does not generate any heat so therefore without a moon - it would be darker at night - due to the fact that there is no moonlight. - this will be continued...
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say more 
i wanna know more about astronomy 
and what physics 101? does it cover different topic or something?
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It is calculated that currently the orbit of the moon increases in diameter by about 3.8 cm (about 1 1/2 inches) every year, this is calculated by bounceing a laser off mirrors left by the apollo missions and reading the time it takes to travel and divideing it by the time taken using the speed of light 186,000 miles per second
but ofc if u dont believe that nasa visited the moon then u are either a fool or just open to conspiricy theorys
Someday, if the earth itself stops spinning, then the moon's orbit will gradually start to decay. So the day may come when the moon might come crashing down upon the earth, but that day would certainly be billions of years in the future.
In fact, current calculations are that the moon would finally stop moving away from earth approximately 15 billion years from now, but the sun will likely develop into a red giant and incinerate both the earth and the moon before then, in only 6 or 7 billion more years.
It is also predicted, that the inhabitants of earth will have most likely have terraformed mars and moved the majorty of human civilization there. This is because as the sun expands the zone in which life can exist as complex and diverse as it is on earth will shift and move further and further to the edges of our solar system
but if that happens then we have 2 moons to worry about, OH NOES what if they crash into each other....lolz
so all in all no real need to worry about the moon unless another planet/moon sized object was to collide with it and take it completely out of the equation but that again wont happen as jupiter and the other gas giants have a nasty habbit of stealing all ET objects
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It is calculated that currently the orbit of the moon increases in diameter by about 3.8 cm (about 1 1/2 inches) every year, this is calculated by bounceing a laser off mirrors left by the apollo missions and reading the time it takes to travel and divideing it the distance time taken by the speed of light 188,000mps
but ofc if u dont believe that nasa visited the moon then u are either a fool or just open to conspiricy theorys
Someday, if the earth itself stops spinning, then the moon's orbit will gradually start to decay. So the day may come when the moon might come crashing down upon the earth, but that day would certainly be billions of years in the future.
In fact, current calculations are that the moon would finally stop moving away from earth approximately 15 billion years from now, but the sun will likely develop into a red giant and incinerate both the earth and the moon before then, in only 6 or 7 billion more years.
It is also predicted, that the inhabitants of earth will have most likely have terraformed mars and moved the majorty of human civilization there. This is because as the sun expands the zone in which life can exist as complex and diverse as it is on earth will shift and move further and further to the edges of our solar system
so all in all no real need to worry about the moon unless another planet/moon sized object was to collide with it and take it completely out of the equation but that again wont happen as jupiter and the other gas giants have a nasty habbit of stealing all ET objects
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From wat i been learning in physics GCSE all there is correct.
U should pic we were shown of a huge comet/meteor hitting Jupiter after being spilt into pieced, there were like 7 impacts all = huge explosions
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can anything really "hit" jupiter, it's a freaking huge ball of gas o.O
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hehehehe i'm learning things
anyway a lil bit offtopic but wasnt there ment to be a giant meteor heading fr earth in 2014
and yeah the moon slowly moving away and all is true and about a couple billion years ago the moon was so close to earth that it was constantly stormy
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lol a dwark planet i think you mean ice dwarf =D, yeah we had an argument in ma science class about this and i think it should be a planet as it has an orbit it is more of a planet than jupiter as its like a heap of gas
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Pluto was declassified due to the fact that there are more then a dozen celestial bodies that carry an orbit around the sun that was infact larger the Pluto.
Also Moons like Ganymede are larger then Pluto - So that is why Pluto was declassified to a Dwarf Planet
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10 interesting space facts of my own
10- time travel is possible in both forward and backward motions, all you need to do is break the speed of light many many times, now as one of the theorys of relativity states (i forget which one exactly) light is a universal constant and cannot be beaten in speed, however theorectical strings are thought to exist that could bridge a gap and effictivle assassit in time travel
9- aprox 70% of the universies matter or mass is missing, and is accounted for in mathimatical models under the name dark matter (yes like in final fantasy) and dark energy
8- lhc or large haderon colider under switzerland was created to look for another theroetical partical to help prove this theory (helix boson) or something like that can someone tell me as its really annoying me wat it is grrrrrrrrr EDIT:higgs boson
7- if you were to send a probe past the event horizon of a black hole and record its jorney once it reaches the event horixon it would look at if it had stopped completly
6- the standard laws of physics do not work when looking at really really big and really really small things
5- the leading theroy that is generally accepted in the scientifc comunity to discribe exactly how things work is called string theory
4- the vacum of space is not completely empty mini black holes and particals pop in and out of space, some believe this is proof of matter crossing the multi dimentional border, others dont care haha
3- string theroy is very complex (well duh) but it can be explained in leimans like the vibrations of a guitar sting when in the foundations of matter itself vibrates in an almost unpridictable fashion
2- einstien famously said that god doesnt play dice, when in actual fact if some variations on string theory (yes there are lots of differant string theroys) are proven it would mean everything is already decided shattering our preconcived notions of free will and choice
1- others like to believe in chaos theory which is commircially known to the public because of a mainstream film staring ashton cutcher which actually has 2 endings SPOILER ALERT
one where he goes back in time and kills himself in his mums womb
and one where he goes back in time and tells the love of his life to leave him alone or he will kill their whole family and then passes her on the street when they are much older cue credits
all of this was written from memory and i could be slightly wrong (or massively) on a few points as i have been out of education for 6 years lol things change
oooh extra bit of info
extra- the strongest (not hardest) material know to man is the carbon nanotube its tensile strength is something like 1500 times that of the hardest steel, and is hoped to one day create a space elevator to have easy ascesablitly to the moon
hope that was informative and thank you for the compliment raziel666
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DID U KNOW OF NEMEISIS???????
Well Nemesis is a hypothetical red dwarf star or brown dwarf, orbiting the Sun at a distance of about 50,000 to 100,000 AU, somewhat beyond the Oort cloud. This star was originally postulated to exist as part of a hypothesis to explain a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in the geological record
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oh oh there is so much more to chaos theory its ridiculas but anyway
there's a number (cant remeber the name given to it or the actual number itself) that is the same for hundreds of different things in nature such as if you divide the lenth or your upper prat of your arm(shoulder to elbow) to the lower part(elbow to wrist/hand), also the same fr the black and red on a ladybird, upper and lower part of your leg so on and so forth
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oh oh there is so much more to chaos theory its ridiculas but anyway
there's a number (cant remeber the name given to it or the actual number itself) that is the same for hundreds of different things in nature such as if you divide the lenth or your upper prat of your arm(shoulder to elbow) to the lower part(elbow to wrist/hand), also the same fr the black and red on a ladybird, upper and lower part of your leg so on and so forth |
not so sure on that one nero i thought that was just a myth, patterns in nubers can be found almost anywhere if looked at long and hard enough
goes away and researches what nero said
behiolm i not quite sure i know what your talking about, name some mass extictions and im pretty certian there are other more plauseable causes, as the light from that star would take soo bloody long to get here im not sure how it could even effect well anything
but thats chaos theroy for ya, its just a sciantific way of saying there is a god if ya ask me its a load of tosh
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i'm also quite sceptical of this time travel theory i really dont think its posible
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as spacetime (the proven theory that space and time are interwoven) is distorted by forces such as gravity and the existance of mass (think of a funel with earth existing at the bottom of the funnel
if you were to go much much faster than the speed of light you can in theory arrive before you started. but going back in time is much much harder to do
going forward in time is simple and has already been done, by every astronaught that has ever gone to space because when u are in our planets orbit you are moving very very fast and the faster you move the slower time goes
astronaughts have come down from space and have actually experanced only say example 10 seconds when us here on earth have experanced 11 seconds this is proven and althought the actuall time is much much smaller the fact its proven means that forward time travel is possible as time percieved as we know it
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Chaos theory is of course real. Why becasue i said so xD Cause and effect, one small thing can have a huge effect xD Shame the same cant be said for dj
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Ok before I sit down to watch another episode of Futurama then go to bed I have to say that I like you style Agresiel. You're ten points are indeed correct - However - I have another theory on the Chaos Theory.
Very Simple as well
Every one looks for a reason as to why something has happened - it's just human nature - We have to in our minds be comfortable with ourselves - Example would be Man falls off a 50 story building - in our minds we have to assume he is dead -
However...
The Chaos Theory would state there that there is a chance of him surviving - it is all to do with randomness. Stand in the middle of a field with nothing around and the Chaos theory would indication that a grand piano could fall on your head and kill you.
You're mind is not able to cope with this - so I'll bet you just laughed at the piano - Why? You mind can't take in the random factor of the Chaos Theory and so therefore reality states that this is just a joke.
Did you know that the record for freefall and surviving is 37,000 feet - an air stewardess was in the bathroom when the plane exploded. She survived. It is theortically possible even though you will struggle to admit it.
Put simply The Chaos Theory is a theory of pure randomness - nothing more - nothing less.
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i did already know this it was recorded she broke every bone in her body but survived crazy i know
but i prefer to believe in multi dimentianal theroy which discounts chaos theory as i know it, because it states that every possible secenario that could every have been is played out in one of these dimentions so ofc someone will eventually survie freefall
it just seems nice and neat to me
compaired with choas thoery which is basically saying i dont know why that happened its just random and the abnornal part of chance and pobablity
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I like the chaos theory - there is something contradictional about organised chaos - lol
However I am fully aware of the multi dimentional theory and one that holds credit - if not able to be proven.
However given the massive expanse of space I also believe that somewhere in this universe I am have the exact same conversation sitting at a desk somewhere trillions of light years away - As there is no known know name for this - that I know of - I wish to call it :-
The Identical Reality Syndrome or funny enough IRS for short 
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i like your irs theroy even if it isnt a creditable theory as such it made me smile hahahaha
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astronaughts have come down from space and have actually experanced only say example 10 seconds when us here on earth have experanced 11 seconds this is proven and althought the actuall time is much much smaller the fact its proven means that forward time travel is possible as time percieved as we know it |
Just for those that don't know, this was measured with an atomic clock
And with regards to Einstein's theory of no such thing as free will, everything pretdermined etc; this has been coined Fatalism.
It's something I've studied in depth and when you take Cause and Effect and basic physics it makes sense.
Lets say the Big Bang Theory is correct. There were set variables at this moment. Things like mass, matter, force, etc. If you were to apply calculations to this event (something which humans can and never will be able to try and comprehend, even with all of Earth's computing power combined), a result could be calculated along a time scale.
The idea of Souls, some omnipresent "God" and other mindless drivel aside, all the universe is; its planets, stars and organisms included, are a never ending cycle of actions and reactions.
"The gravitational force of the moon causes the tide to come in on a beach. Light from our Sun reflects from the sea to a man's eye standing next to the sea. Neurons in his eye send signals to his brain, which are interpreted, then signals sent to motor neurons cause the muscles in the man's legs to push him up and away from the incoming tide.."
On an atomic level, all that happens in the above is a series of actions and reactions, cause and effect. Things that can be measured, recorded and predicted (perhaps as I said previously, not by human beings, but the idea applies).
Now one could propose that things aren't as simple as this. What about what takes place at a sub-atomic level? Then you're into Quantum Physics, and as a famous man once said..
"If you think you understand Quantum Physics, you don't understand Quantum Physics"
All delightfully fascinating stuff I must say
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Well it's still a very young field of science in terms of hard theories, etc. But a very interesting one nonetheless
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astronaughts have come down from space and have actually experanced only say example 10 seconds when us here on earth have experanced 11 seconds this is proven and althought the actuall time is much much smaller the fact its proven means that forward time travel is possible as time percieved as we know it
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Interesting. Except you'll find the reason time differs is due to speed, speed affects time, the faster you travel the slower time moves. However as you approach the speed of light all mass becomes energy, thus it is considered terminal velocity.
And yes Artoir, Quantum physics is interesting, if, complicated.
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Interesting. Except you'll find the reason time differs is due to speed, speed affects time, the faster you travel the slower time moves. However as you approach the speed of light all mass becomes energy, thus it is considered terminal velocity.
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I like the theory and applied practice to your thought - however - Time is not overly affect by speed until you reach the speed of light - once you can travel faster then the speed of light you will effectively start to go backwards in time. Such is the theory.
However new breakthoughs in science could state that the ability to bend or fold space to create a 'shortcut' could become available. The fact that Anti Matter can now be formed - even if for the briefest time - shows that anything is possible.
This bending or folding of space is commonly known as Warp Speed and effectly will allow you to travel faster then the speed of light.
The final method of travelling faster then the speed of light is through tachyon particles. Athough this is just a hypothosis. It is stated that Tachyon Particles are present everywhere in the universe and can travel to an infinate area of space in an infinate time. This would allow us to explore any sector of the universe in the blink of an eye.
But as stated - this has yet to be proven.
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raziel, agresial, artoir, raxis
may i ask u how far have u studied and what subject have u studied or what are u studying right now?
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I studied nothing - Came away with no grades
I'm not in school and I have no majors
I just enjoy Astronomy and watch the science channel.
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i have only gcse's and havent been in anyform of education since i was 16 (over 6 years ago)
i just love all things science fiction and esspecially space related i learned all i know from independant reaserch
which i believe is the best way to learn as people are much more motivieated to learn when its things they enjoy, rarther than the ridgidity and boreing ways that is the education system
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Interesting. Except you'll find the reason time differs is due to speed, speed affects time, the faster you travel the slower time moves. However as you approach the speed of light all mass becomes energy, thus it is considered terminal velocity.
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if you go back and read the paragragh above the one you qouted you will see i actually said that the faster you move the slower time seems to go
oh and also raxis, terminal velocity is usually used to discribe the maximum speed that something can go when traveling in an atmosphere NOT when discribeing the speed of light
terminal velocity- A free-falling object achieves its terminal velocity when the downward force of gravity (Fg) equals the upward force of drag (Fd). This causes the net force on the object to be zero, resulting in an acceleration of zero
light is not effected by gravity as far as i know only effected by what it has to travel through, for example the slowest recording of light is about 63kph when it was shot through super cooled sodium
the fastest light goes is in a vacum which is where we get the 186,000 miles per second
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Raziel666
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Also The schooling system for Astronomy is how man reached the moon.
THIS IS NOT ASTRONOMY!!! well it is - but why just look at the moon then the solar system is so much better. And anyway - Compared to Titan or Io - out moon is seriously boring.
The term astronomy means the studing of stars and planets. This really does need to be expanded and I believe it has - I just haven't checked the defention lately
But it is not the study of our moon and how we reached it - to me - how we reached it is physics not astronomy.
Not sure where or not your guys will agree or not
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Originally posted by Raziel666
.....how we reached it is physics not astronomy.
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i agree
i also agree that our moon has got to be one of the most boreing plaxces in our solar system lol
but i dont know much about astronamy i preffer the physics side of things, so i found alot of your facts about planets very new and interesting raz
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Raziel666
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Originally posted by Raziel666
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i agree
i also agree that our moon has got to be one of the most boreing plaxces in our solar system lol
but i dont know much about astronamy i preffer the physics side of things, so i found alot of your facts about planets very new and interesting raz |
I have to agree - the moon is about as boring as watching an episode of eastenders... ok maybe not quite THAT boring - maybe a holby city or a hollyoaks - lol
I have always prefered the Astronomy to the Physics side of thing - with the exception of space travel - That fasinates the hell out of me.
Here's a question - Gene Roddenberry (Creator of Star Trek) Did he know something we didn't?
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Agresiel
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I have to agree - the moon is about as boring as watching an episode of eastenders... ok maybe not quite THAT boring - maybe a holby city or a hollyoaks - lol
I have always prefered the Astronomy to the Physics side of thing - with the exception of space travel - That fasinates the hell out of me.
Here's a question - Gene Roddenberry (Creator of Star Trek) Did he know something we didn't? |
nah he was just like aurther c clarke had alot of ideas and we as inquistive humans decided to try and and make them come true as that generation grew up the dedicated themselfs to createing science fiction to realitly
as for space travel, that facenatied me i even went as far as starting to design an actual space ship that could seriously take man to anywhere, i encountered lots of problems however all i was able to get past except one, mini asteroids/space debris it moves so fast and with such utter devistation if they were to hit the so called ship then game over, so i gave up
and i agree about eastenders but NOT HOLLYOAKS THE GIRLS ARE FIT :p
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Raziel666
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I agree with the women in Hollyoak are pretty fit
Funny enough though my Wife was in one of the best mood I have even seen when Sarah was killed - She said she looked like a man - I didn't think she was that bad...
Zoe if fit and I'm sorry - but so is Mercedes
Small Debris will always be a problem - and you would need some sort of protective shielding
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