Konrad
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Levija
multiaccounts
credit card payment frauds
pernament ban
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01-21-2010 08:38 |
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BLP
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Registration Date: 12-26-2009
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WHAT ?
Are you serious ?
What the HELL is this ?
Credit card fraud ?
We reported the accounts as playing from the same IP. As soon as my brother started playing. We live together (well he lives with me).
And Credit Card Fraud ? I personally paid those premium refills.
What kind of joke is this ? You can't be serious. I woud like to see more explanations, because this is unfunny to me.
Edit : I seriously hope it won't take you 24 hours to answer this, because right now I am VERY VERY unhappy, and might this be for only 20-30 euros, I will take this to a judiciary level.
Edit 2 : I have started to file a complaint to the IC3, and will be reporting K2M to the European Anti Fraud Office. For your info, I work in government intelligence. I will not take a "credit card fraud" accusation lightly.
You should have contacted me before deciding to ban and post this here without even thinking it through.
As for your card fraud accusation, under the Consumer Protection Act of 2007, I demand to see ALL the information you have about me and about this "fraud".
I expect this demand will be met, it would be in your best legal interest. Poland is after all part of the European Union and is not exempt of following a certain set of rules.
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BLP
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Updated with new information. I thought it woud be worth the Bump, I'm sure the admins won't want to leave this hanging in the air too long.
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01-21-2010 09:23 |
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andrei7radu
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i can't abstain myself ... maybe he ment "freud", not fraud ...
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01-21-2010 10:16 |
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BLP
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One last thing, General enquiries about this ban can be discussed here.
For anything reated directly to your ridiculous "card fraud" accusation, I would kindly ask you to contact me directly on this adress : ghostnetip@gmail.com
Any information regarding a financial transaction between me and your company/team posted here would be a violation of my privacy.
I will be taking this to court. An email to the OLAF has been sent - a good thing for me that I have worked with some of their people in the past, another to the French administration for fraud investigation (being a French citizen, I will be taking this to French law which will be extremely unfortunate for your company).
I have filed a complaint to the IC3, and will be contacting in the afternoon the French embassy in Varsaw so they can advise me as to how legal pursuits can be engaged against K2M and the owners of this game.
Once this goes through, I wil be filling for moral compensations for the accusations of "fraud", financial compensation for the loss of my account (and my brother's), the time invested in it will be measured financialy and so will the premium membership.
I strongly suggest you contact me on the above email ASAP, as I will make this move extremely fast.
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01-21-2010 11:09 |
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Konrad
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BLP, we have received a CHARGEBACK requests from Paypal regarding both accounts. Please check your Paypal account, you should see those changebacks. You may contact Paypal support for more information.
About "playing with your sister" - you play both accounts and it is very visible in logs (the same times of starting and ending game). Or maybe you will tell me that you're twins and wake up, go sleep, go school, meet with friends etc in exactly the same time?
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01-21-2010 11:13 |
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BLP
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Originally posted by Konrad
BLP, we have received a CHARGEBACK requests from Paypal regarding both accounts. Please check your Paypal account, you should see those changebacks. Contact Paypal support for more information.
About "playing with your sister" - you play both accounts and it is very visible in logs (the same times of starting and ending game). Or maybe you will tell me that you're twins and wake up, go sleep, go school, meet with friends etc in exactly the same time? |
Nope, we live together and have a lot of friends in common but are not twins.
We simply use the same computer, when I log in, he usually logs in behind me (I'm sure you'll see that usually one logs out for the other to log in), etc. I don't see how I have to justify my timetable to you, nor would my brother but I'd be more than happy to fax or email you a copy of our ID papers and any kind of paper that justifies my adress, and him living at the same adress with me.
(Edit : It's my brother, not my sister. Facts must be exact)
As for the paypal chargebacks, I will look into it. I was on my paypal account 5 minutes ago, and do not see any chargebacks to your company, there are a lot of transactions on it and I would know if it had been used in a fraudulous manner.
That being said, "even" if there had been chargebacks, I don't see how it justifies as a "credit card payment fraud". Accusing someone of that is in itself an offense.
So, now would be the time to email me on the said adress above and to send me the exact ID transaction numbers and details of those chargebacks you have received.
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01-21-2010 11:22 |
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Konrad
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From information we got from Paypal, credit card owner made request of chargeback, because he didn't authorized this transactions. You should get this info on email from Paypal. Maybe it's not fraud, but this is suspicious situation and happens usually on card fraud or stolen card. Again - we're not accusing you of anything, we just got request from paypal and you should discuss this matter with them.
I'm not questioning you have brother. Basen on logs one can say you and your brother have ideally synchronized timetable for more then a year. Most probably you and your brother are playing both accounts when the other person is away from home and can't play.
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01-21-2010 11:31 |
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Konrad
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andrei7radu, please read the red text below Pillory board name. This part of the forum is not for chitchat.
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01-21-2010 11:55 |
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BLP
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Originally posted by Konrad
From information we got from Paypal, credit card owner made request of chargeback, because he didn't authorized this transactions. You should get this info on email from Paypal. Maybe it's not fraud, but this is suspicious situation and happens usually on card fraud or stolen card. Again - we're not accusing you of anything, we just got request from paypal and you should discuss this matter with them.
I'm not questioning you have brother. Basen on logs one can say you and your brother have ideally synchronized timetable for more then a year. Most probably you and your brother are playing both accounts when the other person is away from home and can't play. |
For the subject of my brother, I'm sure we can discuss this once the paypal issue is cleared. As a side note, he started playing only 4 months ago, so "more than a year" is somewhat strange.
But, as I said earlier, I checked with paypal and see no record of chargebacks. Which is why, before this goes any further, I would like to receive, by email, the exact ID number for the transactions that were charged back, the paypal info associated with each payment. Without them, I cannot do anything to verify your claims.
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01-21-2010 13:01 |
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Konrad
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1) Ok, since September. Since it looks like both of you are playing both accounts when second person is off.
2) Please check your email.
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01-21-2010 13:22 |
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BLP
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Thank you for the email.
I trust this issue will be resolved shortly.
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01-21-2010 18:25 |
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BLP
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Email response sent, Updating status here in check you didn't see my email.
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01-22-2010 08:33 |
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