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liamb1992
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Why are people with over 200 points allowed to attack me when i have 42 points? i think this rule should be changed. I mean, just look at this message(click)
Am i seriously supposed to stand a chance against that?!? What can be gleaned from ambushing someone that much lower than yourself? It cant be the resources or exp because they were all very low. "Ermantil bit into enemy`s neck and sucked out 4 experience pts. minibob paid ransom of 3986 Lgo, 123 litres of blood and gave 12282 prisoners."
I would also like to note that i have also been ambushed by Gendibal (180 points above me) but he explained that this was for the blood, of which i had very little. Has this happened to anyone else, and will this rule ever be changed??
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one of the mods will explain some thing like 0.7 = bla bla
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liamb1992
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I think that rule is a bit daft though, surely they could make it a bit more even? its a bit unfair when people with 200 more points than me ambush me then claim they 'wanted blood' or whatever
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liamb1992
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mate, its a dead link, but i agree with you. Surely it couldnt be that hard to alter the rule slightly?
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Well duh einstein we've all read the tutorial, what this thread is about is complaining at the point difference range of attackers and attackees
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liamb1992
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Originally posted by GrimTale
EDIT: or if possibly, they could change the % of resources gained by people in ambushes
attacking people within 5 points of yourself = the normal rate
attacking people between 6-10 points of yourself = 20%
attacking people between 11-15 points of yourself = 10%
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I like that idea 
It would encourage people with 200 points not to go for people with 40-50 points 'for blood'
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liamb1992
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Originally posted by liamb1992
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Originally posted by GrimTale
EDIT: or if possibly, they could change the % of resources gained by people in ambushes
attacking people within 5 points of yourself = the normal rate
attacking people between 6-10 points of yourself = 20%
attacking people between 11-15 points of yourself = 10%
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I like that idea
It would encourage people with 200 points not to go for people with 40-50 points 'for blood' |
well, instead of points substitute in 'places in the rankings' That system would still be a lot fairer than the current one, and to be honest there will be flaws in any system.
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Aidensixx
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wat annoys me is the advice to level up quikly is to attack ppl higher than you
say u do well at tht a few times and then one time you get a bad result
from tht time on ull be getting farmed by tht person
i know as its happend on countless occasions to me and ive been able to do nothing bout it
it does need changing but whos going to listen to us is the question
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Gendibal
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Originally posted by scillage
Take Cesarz for ezample, He is 41 points ahead of 2nd place Blodsugare, so when he attacks him, how much resources will he get? It is ok when you are a lower level, because there arent any gaps between say 11 and 13 points, there is practically always somebody in the point between them. But in higher levels there are huge point gapy between people. |
Then maybe what really ought to be looked at here is a balancing in progression ..... shouldn't a game remain competitive for the top places as it is further down the lists. But as you say, the further up the lists you get, the easier it seems to be to maintain your position (and increase the gaps between players).
As has been said many times in the past, what incentive is there for new players to continue when they realise that they CANNOT POSSIBLY attain the top slots (realistically, without inactives and players leaving through boredom, the top 50 - 100 is near enough unattainable even now)
Maybe a server timer (This game will reset in x months) would work, that way multiple games could be run concurrently and there would always be a 'new player friendly' game just started or near to starting.
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Gendibal
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Originally posted by Aidensixx
however theres the new update coming soon ish or already come i cant rememeber about act 2
but i remember roughly tht when you get 50 points youll be able to go to second act and when you choose to go there you cant come back
thing is whos gonna go when theyve got a gold mine of players to farm from
i sed il be back with it and here it is
Patch 1.1
SECOND ACT
- Together with reaching 50 level and completing ALL pilgrimages your character will be able to move to the second act.
- It won't be possible to go back to the first act! |
But they're not taking out the interraction between Act 1 and Act 2, so technically the Act 2 players can still farm from the Act 1 players so there is really no change apart from having access to the legendary weapons (of mass destruction?)
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Aidensixx
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Originally posted by liamb1992
I think that rule is a bit daft though, surely they could make it a bit more even? its a bit unfair when people with 200 more points than me ambush me then claim they 'wanted blood' or whatever |
thing is the ppl with 200 points more than the guys being attacked move to act 2 get there legendery weapons and as you said they cause ridiculous amounts more damage and so can farm the lower guys even easier than before
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But they're not taking out the interraction between Act 1 and Act 2, so technically the Act 2 players can still farm from the Act 1 players so there is really no change apart from having access to the legendary weapons (of mass destruction?) |
can u see what im getting at
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03-30-2008 14:34 |
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As someone picked on Cezarz, my growth was much easier when I was ranked 15-20 than now (ranked 10)
That time the XP I gained through combat was 120 in most cases when I attacked a player higher than me. Now, when I get attacked by Cezarz he only gets a few XP (literally 4-20) so his growth is slowed down.
I attack lower players for blood or when there is nobody higher to ambush. And of course people attack me, wheres the problem?
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Gendibal
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One question on that .......... If growth is slowed as you get higher, why do the points differences extend between top players as time goes on?
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03-30-2008 14:42 |
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Aidensixx
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im gonna go with at tht point they are very capable of killing white dragons and higher on theyr own
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Artoir.
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To be honest, I think that that idea has a huge flaw. Take Cesarz for ezample, He is 41 points ahead of 2nd place Blodsugare, so when he attacks him, how much resources will he get? Hardly anything at the rate you are saying. So he wont be able to get any from other people, so he will have to make it all himself, and that is not really possible. It is ok when you are a lower level, because there arent any gaps between say 11 and 13 points, there is practically always somebody in the point between them. But in higher levels there are huge point gapy between people. |
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Well maybe as Gendibal said this is what the server needs to rebalance and slow down and minimise the gaps in the top rankings.
Since I started playing in November ive moved from rank 19 thousand and something to 115.
I now climb the ranks by 2/3 per day and its getting slower and slower.
And I know that unless Im playing on this server for years, I will never catch up with the big guns no matter how hard I try or how well I do.
Yes, its disheartening. Now that I dont really have the ranks to play for, I'm focusing on moving up zones and getting badges.
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Aidensixx
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i agree with artoir
yeh its taking time to get to the next point and ill never catch up with them realistically
but yeh all tht the top 1000 to top 50 or so can do is work towards getting badges
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03-30-2008 15:45 |
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Gendibal
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Unfortunately this is also something that has been gone over in other threads countless times with no satisfactory answers.
The usual generic answers that are given are:
"We don't see the problem"
"The game was meant to be like that"
"It works in Moria"
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"Well, I had a good laught here" (this was a certain development team member showing a severe lack of professionalism in dealing with player concerns)
The developers are not interested in balancing the servers up unfortunately, they are simply interested in keeping Moria up to speed, and the rest of us can just make do with the leftovers.
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Artoir.
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I guess as far as balance is concerned for myself and the other mid-ranked players, its too late for this server.
Even if they stopped all progress of the top 10 (which I'm not suggesting in case anyone wants to give off), the gap that has been allowed to grow is already too large to catch up for a long time.
I wouldn't call for a reset of the server because even though I'm only at 60 points, I'd be gutted to lose all my progress, so I'm sure the 100 odd above me in the rankings would be even more so.
Personally the only thing I'm really hoping for is that this server will fill (which isn't going to happen given the current state of affairs) and another UK server will be made where myself and anyone else outside the top 10/20 have a chance to compete.
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Gendibal
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A lot of the problems I have seen developing for the lower players weren't a problem 6 months or so ago ...... they've come about as a result of the devs rebalancing the system for Moria, and then making the leap of logic that 'because it worked in Moria, it must work everywhere else' ........ but ignoring the fact that they have rebalanced it to a point FAR in advance of the other servers players, in effect taking away parts of the functionality that these players have paid for within the game.
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I think that rule is a bit daft though, surely they could make it a bit more even? its a bit unfair when people with 200 more points than me ambush me then claim they 'wanted blood' or whatever |
Just a quick heads up as to the situation that necessitates the sort of attack you're talking about .......
HIT POINTS 72 / 611
BLOOD POINTS 0 / 192
And this is not a rare occurrence, nor is it confined to me ...... so when they say in messages that they were after blood, you can probably figure it as a situation similar to this (Can't realistically hit people around you without arcana support, and building up enough blood for attacks requires your victim to actually have some, no matter how little.)
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Artoir.
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Even if they were to use the same patches, would it not make more sense to implement them when R1 catches up chronologically?
Eg.
Patch 1.1 implemented 4 months after Polish server created
Instead of implementing it on the UK server at the same time, wait until UK server is 4 months old?
Disclaimer: All patch numbers, times and names are fictional used purely for the example
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Aidensixx
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just think about it like this
if artoir has 60 points atm and ive got 14 points and both of us are complaining think whatll happen when im his sort of level
but yeh i totally agree with lets hope we get this server filled up and they open a new one
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03-30-2008 16:23 |
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Artoir.
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When you reach 60 points you'll probably still be on these boards every day, trying and failing to get the Powers That Be to take notice, going over the same issues day in, day out in a thousand different threads.
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Aidensixx
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i think only difference will be ive learned more and can be more helpful to others and tht ill have more to complain about
at least im voicing my opinion now normally ill just complain to myself
mite aswell be doing tht or talking to a brick wall
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03-30-2008 16:32 |
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Aidensixx
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not just you theyr getting
its just not all the ppl can be bothered to complain as they know tht it wont do nething
we however know nothing will change as 'everything is fine' but try neway
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03-30-2008 20:01 |
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Gendibal
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Even taxi 3 at 3000l of blood is out of reach for most people in the top 100 - 200 at the moment ...... not a good state of affairs
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GodLike
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i got attacked by some one called king nosser yesterday hes well out of my own level lol hes level 59 im only level 42
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03-31-2008 10:15 |
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Artoir.
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Were all getting farmed now, but im not going to give off because I know I'm going to have to do the same in a month or so as blood's running dry =/
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babolob your dead right mate there should be some thing done about this situation because blood is as you said is etting out of hand were meant to be vampires for god sake we need BLOOD!
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bobalob57
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one thing i think might help is when you ambush somebody you get a base amount of blood no matter what, as when you bit into their neck you would not just suck out experiance but blood as well, unless someones about to tell me that vampires have experiance, not blood courcing through their veins 
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