 idea for guns |
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
 |
|
iv sometimes seen people complaining that guns are imbalenced compared to ranged weapons and asking will guns get suffixs/prefixes
so heres my idea.
instead of adding prefixes and suffixes to guns, why not have differant clips that people can equip, giving differant effects. this would help to baance guns out as at the moment people find it hard to get as high perception as agility, and could give people lots of other advantages, such as weapon damage or additionel attacks, at the moment its just an idea thoagh
these could be for either one hand or 2 handed guns
some examples are
[clip] big bore bullets
all weapon damage +5
perception -3
[clip]silver bullets
chance for crit hit +5/10%
[clip]diamond bullets
toughness+5 perception +2
[clip]named bullets
perception +5 all weapon damage +5
[clip] smaller callibre
attacks per round+1 weapon damage-3
as i said at the moment these are just ideas.
feel free to comment and add your own suggestions
|
|
07-27-2008 14:12 |
|
|
icecold
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 05-10-2008
Posts: 159
|
|
they don't complain against ranged. it's mellee they moan at. and u need both agility and perception for ranged and not just 1 or the other like 1 handed mellee or 2 handed guns
__________________
icecold
Demon Lord is my tattoo and will show it can b used succesfully
|
|
|
07-27-2008 14:25 |
|
|
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
Thread Starter 
|
|
@icecold- sorry i meant melle, thanks for pointing that out.
@fool- you find them on quests like other items, and althoagh named bullets are a lot better than big bore bullets they will also be a lot rarer, also maybe big bore bullets could have the damage increased
|
|
|
07-27-2008 14:30 |
|
|
Azz420
Lord
Registration Date: 04-11-2007
Posts: 384
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: .DB.
|
|
cool idea 
where do these clips come from
are they shop bought and last for xxx amount of rounds/fights ????
or can they be found on quests and have an unlimited lifespan ????
__________________
|
|
|
07-27-2008 14:34 |
|
|
Cthulhu
Viking
Registration Date: 11-29-2007
Posts: 726
Location: UK
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: HL
|
|
That's a nice idea; how would it work in terms of the game structure though?
Equipping - are you suggesting an extra slot - if so that ain't gonna happen - way too much re-structuring of the game. Or, would they have to give up a jewelry slot to equip the bullets; makes more sense - but could have adverse effects to the players ability to equip the desired weapon! 
Perhaps the best way would be as Fool hints at; make them new disposable items. As far as I'm concerned most of the disposables are redundant anyway - I mean tell me, who uses things like: wolf's blood, magic seal, shark's fin, heart of bat, black lotus, etc? Or perhaps, once you get to certain level, say 35, then you get more choice of disposables?
I like it... I want to equip some silver tipped exploding bullets in my magnums! 
__________________
HBS
ENCHANTMENT
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Cthulhu: 07-27-2008 14:40.
|
|
|
07-27-2008 14:40 |
|
|
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
Thread Starter
|
|
hmmmm origanally i thaught that the clips could come from quests and that you would equip them, and that they would have unlimited lifespan but as cthuhlu said either an extra weapon slot would have to be created or an existing one would have to be used up, if any of the devs could tell me if its possible for an extra place for clips to be stored is possible it would be much appreciated, i dont think that it would take up much server capacity anyway
as for using them as dispossibles... that would be a good idea exept that it could make even more of the dissposibles unused for example, the smaller caliber clip would be extremly populer and could unbalance a lot of things if it was avaidable as a disspossible
|
|
|
07-27-2008 14:52 |
|
|
Azz420
Lord
Registration Date: 04-11-2007
Posts: 384
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: .DB.
|
|
or once you have merged gun with clip it is fixed to that weapon
giving it a prefix or suffix ???
__________________
|
|
|
07-27-2008 15:14 |
|
|
Serafine
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 03-13-2008
Posts: 188
Location: Ireland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: [-END-]
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by Azz420
or once you have merged gun with clip it is fixed to that weapon
giving it a prefix or suffix ??? |
I was going to suggest a merge type system. Would fit with current game structure.
Would mean you would be able to merge to make one gun for expos, one for sieges and one for general attacks etc.
A good idea bobalob, I was going to suggest something similiar after reading the melee rant thread but just cba back then lol. Glad you took the initiative and suggested it.
(I use melee and will never be tempted to go to guns over melee {bar Sniper Rifle etc for expos} with the current balance of the game. But if something like that were to come out maybe I might be interested in trying it out )
__________________
UW IGN = Serafine
Necro IGN = Kagehisa_Shintaro
Selling:
See Necro Profile - mostly rubbish tbh.
Buying:
See IGProfile.
|
|
|
07-27-2008 15:22 |
|
|
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
Thread Starter
|
|
that would be a good idea, exept the only problem with that is that the weapon would no longer have an interchangable clip, althoagh maybe you could change the clip for the price of some stones
thats a good idea though, probably the best one tbh
|
|
|
07-27-2008 15:22 |
|
|
Azz420
Lord
Registration Date: 04-11-2007
Posts: 384
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: .DB.
|
|
you could always merge it with another clip ???
__________________
|
|
|
07-27-2008 15:25 |
|
|
Serafine
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 03-13-2008
Posts: 188
Location: Ireland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: [-END-]
|
|
I have found that guns are easy enough to get in Quests. So why not have a few sets of guns with each of the new clips merged into them. Like ppl do atm with gear for different purposes.
(the Silver Bullet could even be given a Luck factor making it useful as Quest gear)
So once you get the clips you want, just merge with the gun of your choice and then just change to the gun best suited to the task at hand. Save you merging and remerging. (Not all of us have unlimited stones like you Azz lol)
__________________
UW IGN = Serafine
Necro IGN = Kagehisa_Shintaro
Selling:
See Necro Profile - mostly rubbish tbh.
Buying:
See IGProfile.
|
|
|
07-27-2008 15:28 |
|
|
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
Thread Starter
|
|
that would be a good idea, having lots of differant sets, as it would allow for ease and would allow you to choose which gun got which upgrades, for example, scorpio would need more damage, desert eagle would need mpore attacks ect, but one of the points of it being a clip was that you could have a set of clips an you would be able to switch between clips while using the same gun, e.g having a gd uzi+4 with one clip, instead of having to upgrade another uzi to gd+4 you just swap the clips around
|
|
|
07-27-2008 15:33 |
|
|
Serafine
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 03-13-2008
Posts: 188
Location: Ireland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: [-END-]
|
|
Having them that way would mean they would need to be really rare. Cos once you got the one you wanted you can just simply switch it around as you get better and better guns. Whereas with the merge idea, they can be not so rare, cos once it's merged, to make another gun like that you need the clip again. If you see what I mean.
Although tbh the bonuses on them as you suggest them aren't that much so they won't overpower gunners too much. Just give them more edge, close the gap a little with meleers.
So rarity of them, when looked at like that, wouldn't matter too much.
It would make gunner an easier path to start out with.
__________________
UW IGN = Serafine
Necro IGN = Kagehisa_Shintaro
Selling:
See Necro Profile - mostly rubbish tbh.
Buying:
See IGProfile.
|
|
|
07-27-2008 15:37 |
|
|
Serafine
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 03-13-2008
Posts: 188
Location: Ireland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: [-END-]
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by bobalob57
i think though it should cost less than a ms ason their own the clips are useless, and a ms just to use them is a little bit expencive |
True.
| quote: |
Originally posted by bobalob57
[unless your azz 
] |
Truer.
lol.
Yeah an MS is a tad ott for a mere clip being added. But it does fit in with the system. So maybe making the bonus' better and more worthwhile. Just don't make them common. As with everything, it's finding the balance.
But the fact that non gun users are saying it's a good suggestion is a step in the right direction. (just try not to let ppl make this another rant about gunsVtheworld and keep it on topic and the devs should pay some attention to it)
__________________
UW IGN = Serafine
Necro IGN = Kagehisa_Shintaro
Selling:
See Necro Profile - mostly rubbish tbh.
Buying:
See IGProfile.
|
|
|
07-27-2008 15:50 |
|
|
Kleks
Forum Ace
Registration Date: 04-21-2007
Posts: 96
Location: R2 Belfegorv2
Race in game: Thoughtcatcher
Clan: A.S
|
|
To big upgrade.
If you add something to shooters you also need to propose something for mele/ranged players to compensate them shooters bonuses.
Plus there is a vast ammount of shooters on server so if they will have such nice bonuses there will be more and more and more players choosing shooters as they main char profession.
I'm against (not only as a mele fighter
)
__________________
Commitment - Helping newbies
|
|
|
07-28-2008 00:11 |
|
|
Raxis
Set Abominae
Registration Date: 12-12-2007
Posts: 1,168
Race in game: Beastmaster
|
|
| quote: |
| Equipping - are you suggesting an extra slot - if so that ain't gonna happen - way too much re-structuring of the game. Or, would they have to give up a jewelry slot to equip the bullets; makes more sense - but could have adverse effects to the players ability to equip the desired weapon! |
This would be my biggest problem, because even if you used the perception clip, which really would be nice, then you wouldn't be able to use a haws/solar. Now I'd want to use the complete hawk's set, and the perception from it would be higher, not to mention the damage boost.
I like the idea, but I think that prdefix/sufiix would be better... maybe if it was something like 'high calibur', or 'armour penetrating'
A nice bullet would be single kill
1% chance of instant kill, that'd be excellent in Uzi's
__________________
Create the infinite and expand the question.
Count to number seven.
Your day of rest creates infection,
Your imperfection.
|
|
|
07-28-2008 01:39 |
|
|
DarkOne
Lord
Registration Date: 11-12-2007
Posts: 359
Location: Germany
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: BoS
|
|
just a general question: if you merge the clip with a gun does the clips bonus go up with the upgrades aswell ?
e.g. you merge a sniper with a smaller calibre clip, on +1 the sniper has 2 attacks but -5 damage whereas on G+4 it has 3 attacks but -10 damage
anyway i don't think you should give melee players anything similar because melee is allready much better than guns
__________________
The Laws of Darkness are not known to the world
ID necro: 1093
created by Dontmess
|
|
|
07-28-2008 06:46 |
|
|
fool
Lord
Registration Date: 02-14-2008
Posts: 380
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: boot camp
|
|
one if you do make them upgradeable as the item increases then you do need some thing for mellee
one hit OK for guns is usless unless it is like one the sniper that has a limted attacks because with born with gun in hand a couple of high uzi you can get a lot of attacks in per round
and altought extra damga is good you have to think about snipers +7 is not going to do much for it but uzis my be more
may be different clips for differnet wepons?
|
|
|
07-28-2008 09:12 |
|
|
warlock619
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 05-19-2008
Posts: 197
Location: Ireland
|
|
i think its a good idea to have them,
but fools idea, is probably the most likely to happen, IF they decide to add them,
it wont require such a high amount of restructuring the game
__________________
im not crazy, im just an idiot!!!
All auctions are 24 hour, no 5 minute rule.
Bring these to the dark side..we have COOKIES
IGN:
UW: Warlock_619 Not a Cultist.
Necro: warlock619
|
|
|
07-28-2008 11:55 |
|
|
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
Thread Starter
|
|
im not sure about the effects of the clips upgrading, what do other people think
fool im not sure what you mean for differant clips for differant weapons, do you mean differant clips for 1 hand and 2 hand
|
|
|
07-28-2008 11:57 |
|
|
warlock619
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 05-19-2008
Posts: 197
Location: Ireland
|
|
sorry, it was Cthulhus idea,
have them as disposable items
__________________
im not crazy, im just an idiot!!!
All auctions are 24 hour, no 5 minute rule.
Bring these to the dark side..we have COOKIES
IGN:
UW: Warlock_619 Not a Cultist.
Necro: warlock619
|
|
|
07-28-2008 11:59 |
|
|
Kleks
Forum Ace
Registration Date: 04-21-2007
Posts: 96
Location: R2 Belfegorv2
Race in game: Thoughtcatcher
Clan: A.S
|
|
| quote: |
| A nice bullet would be single kill 1% chance of instant kill, that'd be excellent in Uzi's |
That effect could be used in assassin tattoos
Like a race special - tattoo unique abilitiy "Hearth Stab - 5% chance of instant killing the opponent"
xxx performs a special attack Hearth Stab, xxx ends its life on the battlefield.
__________________
Commitment - Helping newbies
|
|
|
07-28-2008 12:30 |
|
|
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
Thread Starter
|
|
theres only one problem with the instant kill idea, a lot of people say they want it, but if someone uses it against you it suddenly wont seem so good.
im an assasin, and all i have to do is last 5 rounds(4 attacks per round) and then in theory by that time i could take out anyone
|
|
|
07-28-2008 12:34 |
|
|
Cthulhu
Viking
Registration Date: 11-29-2007
Posts: 726
Location: UK
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: HL
|
|
I agree - the instant kill idea would just be way too un-popular; I don't like it, & I use guns - it would just make the game unbalanced no matter what percentage chance you put on it.
I like the idea of different clips for 1h & 2h; that would spread the balance. That way even melee players could have a go with a sniper... surely all melee players have a sniper rifle in their closet?
Also Darkone's thought about upgrading - not sure how that could work; cos you only upgrade the gun, not the bullets. So maybe the bullets stat bonus stay the same even though you upgrade the weapon??
__________________
HBS
ENCHANTMENT
|
|
|
07-28-2008 13:20 |
|
|
Serafine
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 03-13-2008
Posts: 188
Location: Ireland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: [-END-]
|
|
Or like some suffix' on melee items, get a small boost at G+2 or there abouts. I mean the stat requirements for the guns at that lvl wouldn't be achievable by many (would they? Idk, don't use guns lol)
I currently have SR, SR+1, SR+2 in my closet. Got em all on quests. Gotten AK47, HR, HR+1,2,3,4. Just waiting to get my Shotgun and Fn-Fal now. Bit of a collection there.
Had that AK47 since starting the game, was one of the first items I got on quests.
(don't make me list the number of 1h guns I have destroyed)
__________________
UW IGN = Serafine
Necro IGN = Kagehisa_Shintaro
Selling:
See Necro Profile - mostly rubbish tbh.
Buying:
See IGProfile.
|
|
|
07-28-2008 13:30 |
|
|
Onaga_4000
Junior Member
Registration Date: 04-28-2008
Posts: 21
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: underworld
|
|
i think we should hav guns in the shops instead of just findin them or better yet all the guns u find on quests should be saved in the shops so if u need money u can sell them without the worry of not findin it again and can i suggest a new type of gun its my favorite and i think it would be great its a m60
damage: 30-60
effects: damage+15 chance for critical hit+45% perception-4 3 attacks per round ignores 15% of opponents defence agility-10
requirements:level 70 strength 60(its a very heavy gun) aglity 50 perception 60
|
|
|
07-28-2008 13:40 |
|
|
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
Thread Starter
|
|
getting an additionel upgrade from the clips at gd +1 or 2 would be a good idea, encourage people to upgrade even further [if they acually needed to]
its quite similer to the fast suffix exept the bonus remains the same e.g
gd sniper rifle [clip sc]
Two-handed gun
Damage: 70 - 73
Effects: PERCEPTION +12, AGILITY -7, chance for critical hit +74 %, ignores 100 % of opponent`s defence, all weapon damage -5, attacks per round: 2
Requirements: LEVEL: 46, STRENGTH: 33, AGILITY: 49, PERCEPTION: 51, INTELLIGENCE: 45, KNOWLEDGE: 47
Selling price: 20 700 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1360, Mana 272
gd sniper rifle +1 [clip sc]
Two-handed gun
Damage: 68 - 71
Effects: PERCEPTION +13, AGILITY -7, chance for critical hit +78 %, ignores 100 % of opponent`s defence, weapon damage -10, attacks per round: 3
Requirements: LEVEL: 46, STRENGTH: 34, AGILITY: 49, PERCEPTION: 51, INTELLIGENCE: 45, KNOWLEDGE: 47
Selling price: 21 600 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1660, Mana 332
@onega- you can get 1 hand guns in shop on french server, but doing that would wipe out the trade in 1 hand guns on the auction
also the m40 you have proposed is basically a worse version of the sema auto sniper, it would need work before it became effective
also could you please stick to the topic of clips please?
|
|
|
07-28-2008 13:56 |
|
|
Serafine
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 03-13-2008
Posts: 188
Location: Ireland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: [-END-]
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by Onaga_4000
yea srry and if u want clip ideas u should play mass effect radioactive rounds(disintigration of body)
inferno rounds(burns body) explosive rounds (extra damage)
and heres some effective clips scope(adds perception)
stabalizer(adds damage and perception)
extended barral(adds perception and more shots (attacks per round))
and alot more but those are my fav ones |
First thing most ppl think of when they think of improving guns, as that is what you do in real life. And most of the other weapons mimic real life weapons. But as someone pointed out on another thread, it's a game, fantasy.
So the idea of clips works well, because it doesn't change the gun dramatically, is applicable to both 2h guns and 1h guns. (you wouldn't see a shotgun with Scope, Tripod and extended barrels lol)
Adding clips (which hold bullets) means you can just change what the bullet does basically. And the idea of Silver bullets, Diamond bullets etc, works well with Vampire styled ideas.
Stick with the clips I say. No offence Onaga. Could work better with the style of things already in the game.
__________________
UW IGN = Serafine
Necro IGN = Kagehisa_Shintaro
Selling:
See Necro Profile - mostly rubbish tbh.
Buying:
See IGProfile.
|
|
|
07-28-2008 19:39 |
|
|
fool
Lord
Registration Date: 02-14-2008
Posts: 380
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: boot camp
|
|
what i mean by differnt clips ofr diffent wepons is that extra damge is to powerfull for uzis but not for huntings
so like small intant kill or small chance of a lot of extra damnge for snipers
extra attacks for uzis clips
shotgun sawnoff clips extra damge per round like the cultist new ablity
hunting extra inore defence
ak extra crital
some thing like that
and make them last for xx amount of fights can be trades and found of quests
and then the power up the gun like real guns not overly good but not so good that we have to power up the melee and they power up the guns weak spots
can some help with the rest
|
|
|
07-28-2008 22:12 |
|
|
Raxis
Set Abominae
Registration Date: 12-12-2007
Posts: 1,168
Race in game: Beastmaster
|
|
I think suffix/prefixes would be better still. Mainly because if they were disposable items then it'd still keep melee super-powered.
Also I can't believe people took the 1% thing seriously, geez, it was meant as a sorta I wish daydream joke :S
__________________
Create the infinite and expand the question.
Count to number seven.
Your day of rest creates infection,
Your imperfection.
|
|
|
07-29-2008 03:07 |
|
|
fool
Lord
Registration Date: 02-14-2008
Posts: 380
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: boot camp
|
|
if oyu have sufixs and prefixs then guns will be come to powerfull as they have the advange on range
well supsoe to be
|
|
|
07-29-2008 20:23 |
|
|
Raxis
Set Abominae
Registration Date: 12-12-2007
Posts: 1,168
Race in game: Beastmaster
|
|
| quote: |
if oyu have sufixs and prefixs then guns will be come to powerfull as they have the advange on range
well supsoe to be |
At least puzzle what you are going to say first please. From what I gather you think they'd be too strong, have you seen what some of the Melee ones can do?! Not to mention, as range has it's own so could guns, instead of using the ones already. Prefix#'s like shining would be nice though.
See people keep saying they'd be too powerful, but they are only thinking about what currently exists, it wouldn't be too hard to create new ones.
Also that ignore defence is blasted useless against most classes, it only really yields against Collector, Demon Lord and Black Knight from what I've seen, only because they have to rely on their defence a little.
__________________
Create the infinite and expand the question.
Count to number seven.
Your day of rest creates infection,
Your imperfection.
|
|
|
07-30-2008 00:31 |
|
|
PureDoom01
Lord
Registration Date: 04-02-2008
Posts: 310
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: The Source
|
|
|
|
08-04-2008 02:27 |
|
|
Raxis
Set Abominae
Registration Date: 12-12-2007
Posts: 1,168
Race in game: Beastmaster
|
|
Ranged has a really powerful critical. Shuriken are the bane of my life. Also Agility + percep, if you get your agility really high then you can use the little extra to build percep, making it high enough.
Aerodynamic bullet
+60 chance to hit - 5 damage
__________________
Create the infinite and expand the question.
Count to number seven.
Your day of rest creates infection,
Your imperfection.
|
|
|
08-04-2008 02:32 |
|
|
PureDoom01
Lord
Registration Date: 04-02-2008
Posts: 310
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: The Source
|
|
new idea
Armour Piercing bullets
ignore defence 30% of opponents def,-2perc,-2 agi
__________________
.jpg)
Cyanide & Happiness @ Explosm.net
|
|
|
08-04-2008 02:37 |
|
|
Raxis
Set Abominae
Registration Date: 12-12-2007
Posts: 1,168
Race in game: Beastmaster
|
|
Against expo monsters we dont want to be losing hit chance!
__________________
Create the infinite and expand the question.
Count to number seven.
Your day of rest creates infection,
Your imperfection.
|
|
|
08-04-2008 02:42 |
|
|
|
