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DemonDude
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AK-47 problem

Why is it called an AK-47 when only the first image is of an AK-47

The good image is more of an M4 type gun (could be a varient of the ak tho)

and the perfect one is definatly not an AK (you can see them on the BW walpapers =] )

Shouldnt it be named Assault Rifle???

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bobalob57
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i think its probably because the ak-47 is arguably the most recognisable firearm avaidable, and a lot of people will now what one is. on the othr hand if i said that the weaon that was an ak was an L98 then it upgraded to an SA80 would everyone new what they where. the FN-FAL is the exeption i think, although that is a rifle commonly used in a lot of countries milliterys, and coincidently the polish millitary use it, so a lot of poles might no what it is.

i think its for those reasons that the hunting rifle is called a hunting rifle, and not a kar98, a mosin nagent or a M1 gerand, the sniper rifle is called sniper rifle and not a springfield, SVD or a barret .50 cal, the same with a semi auto sniper rifle, its not called a scoped gewehr 41, or something else [dont no many semi autos] because the game makers want to keep it simple

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08-15-2008 16:13

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Thread Starter Thread Started by DemonDude

Well, im not asking them to give it a specialised name like that bob, kus it wouldnt work!!!!

The image changes from normal > good > Perfect

So it makes sense that it isnt called an ak, kus at good, it isnt an AK!!!

And u seem to know ur shiz, u a hunter or sumthin?? Can u tell me what the other 2 are??? (good and perfect)

Thanks Bobalob (ive said that name in my head before, its funny when u say it lol)

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bobalob57
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not sure what the image is for good AK sorry, could be a varient of M16 or the M4 as you said, but as i said im not sure.

i agree though the picture could be changed to maybe make it look more like an AK, although the current picture works for me because it looks like a better gun.

and no im not a hunter, i just thought that i should find out about guns cos i new nothing about them, i mean at one point my mum knew more about them than me [shes ex millitary though]

08-15-2008 16:33

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Thread Starter Thread Started by DemonDude

Jesus, thats scary, u cant get in argument with ur mum kus shes been trough millitary training and can put your dad through a wall... i would look at guns aswell lol

Only joking!!!

Well, if they dont change the image (which is averagly hard)
Then changing the name to assault rifle is pretty easy!!!

Tho, their are enough modified types of AK in the world to use as examples!!!!

.. Are their other types of AK, like AK-46/48 or AK-4Uj or somthing like that???

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quote:

Originally posted by DemonDude
Jesus, thats scary, u cant get in argument with ur mum kus shes been trough millitary training and can put your dad through a wall... i would look at guns aswell lol

its not just my mum, my dads been in the army for a while as well [about 14 years]

yes there are other varients of the ak, but there not all machine guns, dont forget AK-47 stands for automatic kalishnikov mark 47, kalashnikov makes loads of guns

edit the good ak is an ak, exept not a 47, it is acually an AK 100

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Thread Starter Thread Started by DemonDude

Ahh, then i presume the perfect one is aswell then!!!

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08-15-2008 17:16

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Regardless I think this is actually quite a fruitless idea here. iit isn't really a major problem so why bother changing it?

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08-15-2008 17:30

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I understand what you mean and I agree for instance...

Sniper Rifle at Good becomes a Dragunov still called a sniper rifle.
AK because a different sort of Assault rifle (I can't recognise it ^^) still called an AK, surely it should look like an AK47. (not to be confused with an AK74 and AK74U.)

I believe as you progress they become AK 100 series weapons so.. definitly not a 47.

PS: Dragunov is made from many parts of an AK so is actually a variation aswell although it's a sniper.

It would help if it was changed but not Needed.

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Thread Starter Thread Started by DemonDude

What is with this attitude???

Its not needed?? So, how much useful stuff have we mentioned that is compleatly feasable, they ignor it!!!!

Anyway, i already no it only takes a few seconds as i saw how fast Sesjes said he did the dinner jaket thing!!!! So if it only takes him 10 seconds, then why not????

It will make it more realistic, but still stay in the boundaries of common knowledge!!!

If u no what a hunting/sniper rifle are, then u no what an automatic/assault rifle is!!!

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08-15-2008 18:00

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Demondude. Let it lie. It really is not important. the Dinner-Jacket/Suit thing was necessary, because they realised they didn't want to have to do the work changing our merge lists. This would have no effect on the game whatsoever, it's just sophistry, it really isn't important on any real level.

You do that, then you'll end up wanting Dragunov, Beretta 50.Cal ect. leave it as it is

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08-16-2008 01:24

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Thread Starter Thread Started by DemonDude

No i wont!!!!

My god, have read a damn thing???

STOP MENTIONING SPECIFIC GUNS

Im saying use a description!!!!! Like Hunting rifle is a description!!!

An AK is NOT, it is a specific gun!!!!!

I think i write things the way i think them in my head, kus people just dont get what im on about!!!!

It isnt an AK-47 past normal!!!

Im not saying make it AK-47U.. Or anything else, im saying fix it!!!

Im not saying make sniper darghsgn thing kus it is still a class of sniper!!!! The next two 'Ak-47's are not versions of AK-47s, but diferent weapons!!!

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08-16-2008 01:52

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It isnt an AK-47 past normal!!!

It doesn't matter. It's only a game. it is an AK-47 as long as they want it to be. And most people don't even know that statement is true until you pointed it out.

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Im not saying make it AK-47U.. Or anything else, im saying fix it!!!

What's broken to fix? Honestly, I really think this is just sophistry, who really actually cares or not? Just let it lie, nothing is wrong with how it is, and we are very used to it being Ak-47, so why go and screw it up. Nothing is broken so there is nothing to fix.

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08-16-2008 02:48

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Thread Starter Thread Started by DemonDude

Theyve done it before tho!!!!

And if the change is just sophistry (never heard that word b4) then why not make the change????

Like the change to regal??? It fitted BETTER, but wasnt needed!!!! They still did it!!!!!

Whats different here???

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Becasue AK-47 fits perfectly fine. Demondude, basically not everyone is a gun nut, or really even cares about this, so why bother with it. It'll confuse people if it were changed, and create more havoc than the Dinner suit change did.

It is petty, and pointless, and should be left alone.

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08-16-2008 02:59

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Thread Starter Thread Started by DemonDude

Thats a bull shite attitude!!!

Then why have they made changes in the past???

Why have they gone from

'It Fits'

>

'It Fits better'

So what if it causes confusion, it will be obvious what has happened!!! Its not like im asking the stats to be changed beyond recognition, or the image to be changed to better suit it.. im asking that the name be better moved to what it is!!!

Gun nut??? Didnt a say toi bobalob i no nuthing about guns??? ... coulda been on another thread..!!!

If it was a Bow being called a Yeomen Bow, id be doing the same!!!

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What is the point in wasting timeover something like this. Honestly. Demondude I expected better from you really, I mean this is actually quite a pointless topic. I would leave the AK-47 alone, since itiis what it is...

Why not make a poll about it, to change it or not.

My atitude is:

if it ain't broke then don't fix it.

ANd nothing here is broken, so there is no need for a repair job.

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08-16-2008 03:08

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Thread Starter Thread Started by DemonDude

You dont use one!!!!

U prob. never will

U just quit

BIG quiters attitude, u see hard work, and walk the other way???
Hell no!!!!
If it makes it more realistic (which to a lot of people makes it more fun & enjoyable) then where is the down side apart from lost time????

... The lost time??? Its all of a few seconds!!!!! Im sure noone will miss it!!!!

Its not broke?? It was never working!!!

Wana no why??

Most poeple dont get it past normal, and by the time they are good enough to use it at good, they stop looking at the images!!!! (for the most part)

People would of noticed if they looked!!! But they dont, exaclty why changing it wont make a difference!!! They dont care!!!

(i do tho Big Grin

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Demon, I'm going to be frank with you here. Creating images like this takes time and, a LOT of money. They didn't even complete one set of them because they ran out of money so the guy walked out. And if you wanted the images changed to a better looking AK, think how much it would cost. I'm going to give an explanation, digest it as you will, which will probably be the wrong way, no offence intended.

If we did a survey of the people on bloodwars who regularly play BW my guess would be that over 95% would say that it doesn't need fixing. We don't want to over-complicate things here. 95% of people don't know about dragunov or god knows what other bloody guns are out there. So why does it need to be changed as they don't know about the so called 'problem. But you sentenced it with your own words:

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People would of noticed if they looked!!! But they dont, exaclty why changing it wont make a difference!!! They dont care!!!

THEN WHY THE HELL DOES IT NEED FIXING IF THEY DON'T CARE! It doesn't matter, it will not change the gameplay, and no-one wants to have to think 'hey, wheres my Good AK-47 gone, oh it's now a Good AK 100 series?' Who cares about crappy names, have you heard most of the people on the board moaning about it? NO.

And also, why the hell do you have to put so many ruddy !!!'s and ???'s after each shitty line? I counted it up and in your last 2 posts alone 15 out of 17 lines where it would've been alright to put one you put 2 or more. I am seriously really getting pissed off by your 'oh it doesn't matter and no-one looks at it so it needs to be changed. This game is a GAME, not real life. Just think how close I am to give you your last warning, and maybe that will make you shut up.

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Wow i was actually going to post in reply to demondude, but i think Scillage hit it on the head.

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i hate to disagree with some of whats been said but.....
the aspect of money really depends on the artist, their speed of workflow,
what pricing structure they choose to pick + their real-world needs

if the artist is unknown and looking at expanding his/her portfolio
so as to have a 'published' selection of works / project - then
it is maybe as important to them to get the job done regardless of funds

if he/she/it is looking at paying their bills and mortgage -
of course he/she it would want paying at a more 'professional' rate

ie - anything from 'I'll do it for the credit and portfolio for free'
upto £1K a day if freelancing on an hourly rate
(average 2D artworker freelancer pay in UK is around £30-50 / hr for short jobs)

so - yes, if charging full rates - very expensive even if only hired for a month

the time aspect i do agree with tho - even the fastest 3d artist
will have his work cut out to provide 1 of every item @ normal good + perfect
in a short timelimit - and harder still to please the aesthetic taste of every player

im unsure of the total number of items that exist in the game inc disposables but
i'd guesstimate a day or 2 for 3 meshes of 1 item type + a day for texture/renders
but thats judging from the speed + level of excellence of in-house 3d pros ive met
so - again a guesstimate - but about a month of 16-20 hrs a day 7 days a week!

overall i think that to try and tweak individual items graphics would
be little more than a waste of hours where manpower could be spent better atm
(unless there's a (polish?) 3d student with the wish to provide a full set for free)

on the whole - the items graphics give enough of a visual indication as to what things
are that they do not need changing - and to change one - could very well
look 'off' and need all items replaced with nu imagery so the artistic style matches

just my 2cents having worked with some "pro-level" 3D users in my past

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