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Yes you missed the part where bigger players are bigger. Thats the point, if a level 1 is the same str as a level 100 what is the point playing the game for a long time to get there?
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I don't mind bigger players and clans gaining strength
Just morph them into a place where they compete amongst "like strength" ....
Just gaining dominance over all others is akin to bullying.
Consider wrestling (the sport not the show) -- there are weight classes that provide for great competition.
then think about the current bloodwars model -- the 200 pound wrestlers are given a banquet and then sent out to wrestle against the 107 pound opponents.
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I tried to not comment on this after reading but i just cant help it..
Are you really trying to tell me that after years of playing this game they should be the same as somebody who has been here for 5 minutes? Serious question..
Your saying its not fair if somebody starts the game in ActI has no items and no knowledge and no clan.. how else do you progress in a game?
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Erstwhile
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I am NOT advocating that "big, long-term" players should be on a par with the newbie that joined yesterday.
Just that they should not be allowed to spend all their time beating up on the youngsters who cannot put up an effective (or even chancy ) defense.
The only "protection" in the game today is the "70%" rule . but this does not provide balance.
Let's let the big get bigger and bigger for all the "real life" time they have put into the game instead of doing other things.
Then let's let them compete with other great players and clans like themselves.
.. and leave some room for new folk to grow in the game too.
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I'm over 1,000 points and the lowest i can attack is about 120 points.
But this is how the game grows, when your up this high and you have 0 blood because your getting attacked 2 times a day by alot higher players then you'll understand why the bigger players have to go down lower to survive.
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I think Flash just hit the nail on the head. It is usually a resource demand that forces bigger players to attack smaller - especially when new patches that introduce higher demand for resources are introduced; but resource production levels are not increased.
However, I also appreciate Erstwhile's pov - being on the recieving end of "bullying" is a bit demoralising for new players. Unfortunatetly, that is the way the game is designed & the way that the majority of long term players like it, otherwise there would not be any long term players.
So, you either have to just get on with it, or quit. Your choice really, it is only a game after all; not really the end of the world if it is a little imbalanced is it? 
** additional - forgot to say, because moaning about it to the Devs is not gonna change a thing; just spend an hour reading some of the previous threads on imbalance, etc, and see how many times our cries were answered, or things were changed. 
pps - no offence BW Dev Team, I think you are great, awesome, cool & all that other bs. However, your actual desire to build a game that people wanna get any enjoyment from, is sometimes a little questionable. 
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erstwhile...dont take this the wrong way buddy...but u remember when i joined ADX and i was a smaller than u....in a period of less than a year and hardly any premium i made it to where i am now..
if u cannot take constant farming of higher players then u have to get stronger..no two ways about it.
the best way for this is expos ...they need to b started and joined religiously as well as attcking people as high up as possible to gain max xp..
and quests need to b done to hopefully drop something good (and for xp too)
since act 3 has come out im gettng farmed by people in the top 10 but its just the way the game goes....after all its called blood 'wars'....
i just have to get stronger and work out ways to evade the bullies.
one of the main reasons i left adx was cos of the lack of expos....altho i really liked the people there...
as a clan u just need to b more strategic and figure out ways for people to grow stronger and work together.
after all all the best people cant b in the same clan as the z3 capacity so people will spread...
try and exploit the game for its weaknesses.if u ever need any advice send me a message in game and id always help ya.
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im gonna say this a big clearer....
big clan are 'big clans' becoz they worked to where they are now and it took time and effort...
i assume erstwhile is bitter as ADX have lost z3s to 'big clans' and feel that they cant do a thing and the clan buildings will seperate the gap further....
if this is this case i will repeat what i said in my previous post....
u need to get stronger...get appliances....recruit....do expos etc etc...grow grow grow and become a big clan urself
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hey brundlefly, i agree w/ you ...and as a new ADX recruit ...i've noticed ~10 people starting expos when we can ...but maybe everyone do not have (enough) honour points and/or people to start an expo at least once a week...
i can't speak for Erstwhile but i don't think Erstwhile is "bitter" ...just thinks the clan building(s) [Rune Fortress] is useless ...and i share that opinion.
"pick on someone your own size" is the quote for this thread ...my "stupid" idea would be for clans to siege their predecessor or successor ...and if you get "too strong" for other clans to beat you ...well, take a break to allow other clans to "catch up"
#1 attacks #2 ...#2 attacks #1 or #3 ...#3 attacks #2 or #4 ...etc
or only attack clans 3- ranks lower/higher than you
#1's range #2,3,4
#2's range #1,3,4,5
etc
no alliances ...only "fair" wars ...win, lose, draw
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I am talking about sieges .. taking over in-effect defenseless clan's SQUARES
"farming" is a different subject and NOT part of my discussion.
Now as part of many gaming systems (and some real life situations) one often wants to have reasonable competitiveness in order to actually have some form of accomplishment. Of course in this game you can "play it safe" and ensure that all possible competition is part of your clan so you don't face any.
What I keep seeing in replies to these posts is a form of
"I have been here longer so I deserve to takeover whatever I can . even from folks who have absolutely no chance to defend. I don't care about competitiveness .. I just deserve it all."
Well maybe this game system encourages you to feel that way.
Maybe .. since you of longer life here seem to say so .. the game designer's like it that way.
Maybe this is a long running psychological experiment into how bullying is embraced, tolerated and justified.
Why don't we consider changing that?!
We players could put into play our OWN rules about the strong sieging to take over squares from the weak. What such "fair minded" suggestions would you have over who can initiate or join a siege against a lower level player's square?
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Yeah. This is a polish government spy game. To test the effects of Internet bullying..
Come on. Your clearly just upset about losing a square / squares. The longer your here the more you will understand the mechanics of the game. I don't like being sieged by people I have no chance against but it happens everywhere in life ( if your going down this route )
Nature picks on the weak to survive. Animals fight every day in the wild to take land ( squares ) and if they can't do it they get back up ( seiges )
Humans fight everyday for the same as above. We as humans have evolved to survive and take out the weak.
But this isn't real. It's a game. Right?
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Son of Sin
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yeah and similar to in the wild ...weaker/most sought after animals can/will become endangered species thanks to predators/(pouchers)
in this case ...most (98-99%) clans will become endangered or too weak to advance into z3, z2, z1 ...smaller/weaker clans allied w/ the strongest clan(s) will mostly be in z4 to push the middle clans into z5 ...and that kills the game because now the only active clans are allies that siege "for fun" ...like a mature lioness training a "teen" lioness in combat when most, if not all, of the prey in their territory is dead.
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stupid analogy because i can't compare nature vs this b.s.
the solutions arent "get stronger" ..."earn more xp" ...be real ...sure, if the point leaders in weak clans (top 3 players in 40 weak clans) make 1 giant clan, maybe they'll become a force to be reckoned with ...but guess what, they won't fight against the top dog ...they'll bite their former clan mates to death
the solution is loyalty ...if you leave a clan to join a stronger clan, don't join a siege ...don't help bully ppl you've probably called your friends when you were in a clan together
"cry me a river", i know
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#OccupyBwNecro ...the stronger will continue to get stronger like the wealthy continue to get wealthy ...unless the weaker/poorer do something like force the system to change ...i don't think i can protest on this forum ...so if you've lived anywhere in the world where there's a drastic imbalance, you know what needs to be done...
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I remember when there was war on this server when I was in C.O.S by E.O.D they was no chance we could defend ourselfs its part of the game.
even without clan buildings a really strong clan could take your sqaure with the buildings at least you stand a chance if a slightly stronger clan seiges you and my experince on the beta showed the buildings working really well.
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Just like Flash i have tried to avoid comment here but i need to say something now..
And I will try and be as friendly as possible even if this thread rubbs me the wrong way.
you say that you see replies that says and i quote: I have been here longer so I deserve to takeover whatever I can.
But what i see is posts that says: Im new here so i dont want to putt the same time and effort in playing the game as all the rest have done for so many years..
This is how it allways have been and we all have gone thru it but now when you guys have started a some what "new" clan this is wrong and unbalanced and needs to change only becaus of you... really? thats balance to you? haha...
also you stated in you first post that: New clan buildings merely further entrench the already powerful clans .. offering no real benefit to lower clans (even if the do boast 3 or 4 members at 65 / 66 levels.
First of all your not big enough Erstwhile to have played on beta server to have tried out clan buildings at the fullest so you have basicly no idea what you are talking about there.
I for 1 have been on necro beta and tested when all buildings was at max lvl and this is acctually something that works really good... and my clan wasent a top clan there. moore like 10-15th place, and we could take on clans 5 lvls higher as long as we used right tactics..
Second, the devs didnt give us clan buildings so YOU can become as strong as the top clans, its here becaus its a way to make seiges moore fun and exiting and also to be able to go with diffrent tactics in war times.. so i say it again its not here to only make YOU stronger... Its here to benefit us all, not a few...
as i have said before to memebers in your clan, you should have tried to make some alliances with stronger clans, that way you would have been a bit safer then you are now. but the replies i got was that you didnt want alliances and wanted to stand on your own two legs, and if that is the case then in my eyes you have no right in complaining when bigger clans seige you...
And thats not server being unbalanced thats you making a choice thats come back to bite you in the bottom...
But you know what? why not come back to this thread in a year or 2 and see if you will still agree on "anything" you have written here today. And if you do then we might have a topic to talk about...
but to finish this off as i have gone on way moore then i expected
The way i see it is that its supposed to be hard when you are a low lvl player thats what seperates the boys from the men.. and im not talking about age but the mentality of players..
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don't let this thread get buried ...speak your minds "little people" (those in small/weaker clans)...
so the way i see it ...either make a pact with the devil(s) or get burned ...hmm, i'd rather get burned ...no clan should have to conform to enjoy Blood Wars ...all of you major top guns who want to siege other clans everyday should siege each other ...how is a war game fun if you know you're going to win?
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Because you know your not going to die?! Who the hell goes into a war saying I'm 100% goin to die but that's fun..
If your guaranteed to win a war that's a bonus and there's nothing to worry about. But it's not a war is it. It's a game. You can do alot to prevent things. But your. It going to. Your all going to complain in a topic I stead of playing the game and actually trying to sort stuff out
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Son of Sin
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oh, i'm not complaining ...just giving my opinion ...i personally would rather lose wars than to depend on a bigger, stronger clan to protect or help my clan ...but that's just me ...i can't speak for ADX, only myself
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darc
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should this even be in game system.
look your small deal with it you dont like the politics of this game then dont play just dont complain because us big guys are too big for you to take down ok.
take it to screaming room I think this should be closed
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I don't think the thread should be closed - it is a reasonable discussion. However, may be should be moved.
On point; you are complaining, but that is ok. It is a game, & usually rules can be influenced through discussion & reasonable complaint... sometimes.
But I would also say that is not just a "war game". It is a strategy game and a role playing game. And in fact, in all of those game genres you must enter into the field of politics. I have never be great with diplomacy, but if I have learnt that if you don't make any alliances in this game, you will not survive as a clan. You will become weakened by other clans constantly picking on you, which will mean that you will also lose members, because no-one wants to be a part of a weak clan.
If you want to run a clan in a "war game" then I suggest you learn how the politics of war actually work - you think real wars are fought without the use of allies??
Anyway, this is the last comment of mine on this thread because, not only are you not listening to people who the experience of years of playing it; but I suspect you are also not really willing to listen anyone because (as pointed out previously by someone else) you have already decided the game is in-balanced before you have given a really good try. This game is all about longevity - vampires live for a very long time - you only acquire power with time & experience - so why not play the game a little longer before standing in judgment?
Good luck.
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does anyone play the violin ...i'm about to tell a very short story ...and the moral of the story is: do not let anyone fight your battles for you
my older brother ...who's 3 years older, taller and bigger/stronger than i am ...fought a few dudes who bullied me because i was short & skinny ...and when i was about 14, my brother decided he'd teach me a lesson ...he knocked me out, literally ...i was unconscious ...he beat me up every time i ran home crying, telling him some fat kid punched me...
so how does this relate to all of this b.s. going on in BW ...well, your big, strong brother can always turn against you ...without the small, weak clans who aren't accepting the way you guys play ...Necro would crumble and alliances will fold ...and the very clan protecting you now will be bullying you later ...because at the end of the day you're still a weak little brother depending on your big brother's strength ...which makes you a pawn in this game.
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Dude.. I think you have issues which aren't just bw related .. Serious post.
Iv played both servers and never felt like a pawn. Even when I very first started. I'm with cthulhu on this one also. You won't listen and have already decided what you think so good luck with it. Because its going to get you nowhere.
Play the game instead of complaining. Or simply don't log on anymore. 2 choices both are straight to the point. Everybody complains about thr game but we all still play it which means they are doing something right.
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oh, i'm not complaining ...just giving my opinion ...i personally would rather lose wars than to depend on a bigger, stronger clan to protect or help my clan ...but that's just me ...i can't speak for ADX, only myself |
Cutting your nose off to spite your face gets you nowhere especially in this game. Rejecting the help of bigger clans so you can one man army your way through and lose you square that you've worked hard for, it's your choice.
And yes, the strong get stronger, but anyone with an iq higher than that of a peanut can get stronger, certain people have flown through the rankings, take foxy for example (sorry if you object foxy). He was nobody, a "few" lucky finds later, and asking the right people for help, look at where he is now. The weak don't get shafted, the ignorant and the proud get shafted.
EDIT: are you kazgaroth reincarnated???
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Then if you don't care and won't listen I declare this thread to be shut as your now wasting everybody's time.
We've tried to help yet you just think we're conforming. No we are playing a game.
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you're all right ...i "complain" but that's my prerogative ...and no i will not listen ...i don't care about how long you all have played or your tactics ...i will continue to be against you all's antics and respectfully voice my opinion(s) ...you guys are weak, followers and pawns as i said ...attack me, i don't care ... my ID is in my signature ...show me what you're made of, send your little recruits to my z4 square ...train them, teach them how to be followers ...control your low-level clan members ...they're spineless like you were when you were at their level ...running to the best clan for membership
i have issues ...i'm an addict ...i don't sleep ...i get banned from forums for going against the "veteran players" who say i'm trolling because i disagree w/ them & won't ...listen ...(edit:same not some) same things you've said here ..."be like us" ..."join a small clan, use their luck and join us later when you have 100 points" ..."siege your former comrades to prove you're loyal to this clan, not your former clan" ...smh |
most bigger clans are willing to take on smaller players, a message to the leader or deputy, and showing your willingness to progress, they'll help you all that they can.
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you're all right ...i "complain" but that's my prerogative ...and no i will not listen ...i don't care about how long you all have played or your tactics ...i will continue to be against you all's antics and respectfully voice my opinion(s) ...you guys are weak, followers and pawns as i said ...attack me, i don't care ... my ID is in my signature ...show me what you're made of, send your little recruits to my z4 square ...train them, teach them how to be followers ...control your low-level clan members ...they're spineless like you were when you were at their level ...running to the best clan for membership
i have issues ...i'm an addict ...i don't sleep ...i get banned from forums for going against the "veteran players" who say i'm trolling because i disagree w/ them & won't ...listen ...(edit:same not some) same things you've said here ..."be like us" ..."join a small clan, use their luck and join us later when you have 100 points" ..."siege your former comrades to prove you're loyal to this clan, not your former clan" ...smh |
Lol...sorry for laughing..but you remind me of my daughter. She is 4 years old and act as you do when she don't get what she wants
. Choosing not to see the obvius and choosing to be the martyr...a real drama queen
Back to topic...
The most importante thing is that this is just a game. If it makes you feel bad or you see some social patter here that you can't be part of...just quit.
Everybody of the "big ones" has been new born BW babies not so long ago so we all remember how it was. It was not so bad that you paint it for us. I think the main problem here is not the game or the people in it. If you see the world through the eyes of a paranoid the world will be paranoid. Get some sleep and rise and shine with a smile on your face and all will be much better.
As for the balance of the game...to be honest...it really does not matter. With or without act 3 the bigger clans could bully the smaller clan as good. But I can't really see that happen so often...to be honest...I have never been part of that type of siege. And also the part of that big ones telling the smaller people what to do....please...even in a clan people at the same level team up in groups to mange expos and tasks by them self. Maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe I'm one naive happy bastard (and been from the start) and you the opposite...the one thinking all is pitch black.
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There is a simple recipe:
Settings---->Delete character---->Enter account password----> your problems and complaints disappeared
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You dont lika ALL of us...my
Well..now you are being childish. You are the one attacking people here with a lot of attitude cos you think they act wrong.
Well...do what you want...you are not seeking friends...thats for sure
Case closed for me.
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Originally posted by Son of Sin
does anyone play the violin ...i'm about to tell a very short story ...and the moral of the story is: do not let anyone fight your battles for you
my older brother ...who's 3 years older, taller and bigger/stronger than i am ...fought a few dudes who bullied me because i was short & skinny ...and when i was about 14, my brother decided he'd teach me a lesson ...he knocked me out, literally ...i was unconscious ...he beat me up every time i ran home crying, telling him some fat kid punched me...
so how does this relate to all of this b.s. going on in BW ...well, your big, strong brother can always turn against you ...without the small, weak clans who aren't accepting the way you guys play ...Necro would crumble and alliances will fold ...and the very clan protecting you now will be bullying you later ...because at the end of the day you're still a weak little brother depending on your big brother's strength ...which makes you a pawn in this game. |
instead of knocking you out, why didnt he just teach you to look after yourself, instead of teaching you to hide problems or you get whooped at home as well!! nice bro 
in life there is always stronger and better, i box, and in boxing we have world champions, if i got in the ring with a klitschko brother i would get my ass whooped, why, because there bigger and i dont like to admit it, but they are prob better
you need to learn the game, the best way to progress and grow, we all get owned in it, blod #1 on UW gets owned by players lower than him, yes lower, so its not all one sided.
yes it will prob take a miricle for you to become the strongest because of long term players, but a awfull lot of big players have left over the years, so your lucky your small clan has z3 squares, if all them were still about, there would be more big clans with more wanting there allocation of squares.
there is an imbalance, but such is the game, and anyone starting it must know and understand. but yet they still play
if anything it sounds more like your ego has been hurt
after over 2 years playing i left for over 12 months and destroyed character, iv been back for 4 months im lvl 62, and i think im slow growth at the mo, by using the right tactics available to you, you can grow at a masive rate if you want, and at least start to mix it with the best, some people out grow clans thats why they leave and go to bigger clans, as some one commented earlier, you clan is a slow grower
anyway iv forgot my point, if i hav'nt got it across yet, so im off haha
and it is just a GAME, dont buy monopoly.
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12-20-2011 17:30 |
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Creed
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Registration Date: 02-24-2009
Posts: 90
Location: UK
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: BoS
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Ok, so ive read all of the posts here, had many a laugh at how narrow mind some of the post have been.. But to be ontopic now.
Firstly, the game has been playing for what 5-6 years? (sorry if im wrong, ive been here just over 4 years) and politics will ALWAYS be part of a game, like it or not there is no getting away from it. If you look harder politics is everywhere, it maybe in work, school, the local sports team, your group of mates some form of politics is ALWAYS there. So either you learn the other part of the game, the politics game, or you choose to ignore it but you dont whine and complain about it, 2 simple choices and no im not saying im quit im saying quit moaning.
Secondly, what gives you the right to tell others how to play the game? Im part of BoS on UW (sorry dont play Necro as personally not my cup of tea) and your saying we can only seige HLL? maybe if were lucky we could seige DB as there 3rd, or do you class them as to low level for us to seige? We dont go round seiging squares randomly, if a square is ours we will ensure it stays ours, same as any smart player/clan would at the top, same as HLL & DB would as we have the power to do so. Have we always had the power to, no, nobody starts as gods, you make yourself it. Does this mean you have to ally with some other clan to survive? Of course not, please feel free to be on your own, its a serious challenge and personally I wouldnt do it, because im a sheep? no, because id rather enjoy the other aspects of the game. But if because you have lost a few squares your going to start telling people how to play and who they can and can not seige, save your breath as your cries will fall on deaf ears.
Wars come and go, people win and people lose, same as in real life. What counts is how you deal with losing. Do you go crying and whining in a forum, or do you go right this is what happened, how did it happen what can we do to stop this happening? An yes If for example HLL (sorry can only provide UW reference) Boot Camp for a square there is no chance BC could stop them, and it would take years for them to get to a place they could, this is why BC would have to play politics of the game and not whine.
Anyway this post might even be the longest in this thread now, but ill be honest, new people coming on the forum/game and then moaning when things dont go there own way is bloody annoying. The games hard, its not meant to be easy, its for someone who puts time and brain power in long term. If this isnt the type of game you enjoy there are millions more out there, go try them, one of them may suit your style much better than BW does.
If you want to carry on here, I suggest you dont moan so much else people will just pick on you for that reason alone.
Happy Hunting.
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Noumenon
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Registration Date: 01-11-2010
Posts: 40
Race in game: Absorber
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Sigh, is it just me or does an incarnation of this kind of arguement crop up every couple of months. Look the game is designed to allow stronger players to flourish, it's based around the idea that you fight for survival, thus tactically forming alliances, the strongest clans and the like is the way forward.
When I started playing (not long after the server opened) it was good fun, I've restarted twice now, and it's still good fun, the only thing that has become harder is being able to purchase items. In terms of how clans operate, it is exactly the same.
You should be glad you weren't here when... I think it was Emissaries of Darkness... decided they didn't like anyone... or rather wanted to 'spice the server up' and decided that no-one else deserved their squares... that was a tough time to play through, good fun when you look back on it though.
If you can't handle the game mechanics, the fact this is survival of the fittest then you really should just leave the game. Not being horrible, but it'll stress you out otherwise. I personally don't think there is enough at the higher level end of the game, which is one of the reasons for my restarts. But there you go.
Ultimately you're having a problem with the fundamentals of this game design, wouldn't it be easier to either accept and enjoy, or leave and find something else?
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kraftie
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Registration Date: 11-18-2007
Posts: 101
Race in game: Absorber
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Ha, ha! Erstwhile I choose the scenic route too, stay away from big clans through principle. I didnt like that players were joining after me afilliating themselves into DB, BoS, Hyperboreans clan (Cannot for the life of me remember its name sorry) and then using them to 'Steal' squares that they couldnt get from their old/own clans.
So I took justice into my old hands and destroyed all the worms within my power, until they cried to the big guns who in turn farmed me to hell. However I rose above and got to rank 50 before I had some life decisions/problems (I know you want to check :p).
Son of sin the best advice I can give you is play the game the way you love playing. To go with all the other stories and phrases one sticks out the most "if you cant beat them join them".
There are players alot stronger than me willing to help and I can solo the WD and with meat kill the BD (well until I pass my last pilgrimage and got to 'AKT III'). Dont be ashamed to ask for help. Without being a clan leader you are not tied down and can leave the clan without remorse. Higher clans need new players to join so they can filter through the inactives.
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