Azz420
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Questions you might be asking yourself......
Q : What exactly is pushing ????
A : When you try to send stones to someone you know by bidding on items they have put on auction, usually for a lot more than the item is worth.
But is buying an item from a friend for a fair price when they need stones badly and selling it back to them later count as pushing and how can that be policed ????
Q : It is a problem on this server ????
A : Well there are measures put in place to prevent pushing but i dont think anyone has been banned for it, so i dont see it as a problem.
The problem i do see is items duping in auction does nothing to stop pushing and only serves to clog up the auctions with more useless crap.
Q : Can items be pushed ???
A : Before the patch 1.1 you could put items up for 6 hours which gave you a better chance of getting item to clan member/friend before it was noticed, esp if auction ended during the night 
, it is harder now to make personal trades with people and even if they want to buy something from you it still dosnt guarantee they will win the auction.
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(if you have any info on pushing you would like to add plz do 
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Q: Is paying "a bit too much" for an item of a player who I don't know also considered pushing?
A: Yes. Generally speaking every item sold for a big amount of stones while it's not worth that much is considered pushing. Also pushing is selling a very good item for a small amount of stones.
Q: I was banned for pushing but I payed the price suggested in the Evaluation section. Why?
A: Evaluations made by players don't always show the true value of an item. Some players may suggest lower prices to get the item cheaply.
That's what came to my mind from Pillory on the polish BW board.
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Mortis
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In this case I must agree with Azz. If there is no upper limit on items you can't tell us that it was "too much" or "too cheap" if the price is driven by actual market offer and demand.
If I will be selling e.g. Good Elvish Cape and it will be some busy weekend with not much members online and the item will be sold only for 1LS you would consider it as pushing as the usual price is much higher? If yes, who will pay me the rest of the stones? I guess no one, so from this point of view such rule is quite stupid.
If you want to prevent pushing make upper limits for items as are defined for junk and thus you will clearly say whats your opinion for their prices.
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Evangelion
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It's not possible to set a maximum price for items because there are 5 different stones used to pay for an item. There is a maximum price in bloodstones but setting a maximum price on other stones makes bigger bids possible (just sum up all the stones of the maximum price)
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Originally posted by Azz420
I have also bought a very nice item for way lower than it should have been sold for,
it was only up for 6 hours and ended in the wee hours of the morning, i even waited to be sniped at the last minute but got away with the only bid.
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some items are put up without a min bid.they might be great items but like what happened to azz he was the only bidder so got for a cheaper price than usual.
i woudnt consider that pushing just been lucky by bidding on the right item at the right time.......................
its an auction system we use...
ppl keep bidding on items untill there's a winner.
usuing the auction system of course items are going to go for more or less depending on supply demand and the number of ppl wanting the same item.
the pushing rule needs to be updated or revised alot.
buts thats just my opinion.
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bobalob57
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i think a way to sort this out would be yo include the players themsleves a bit n the auction reporting, for ex\mple you can only report one thing pe player. currently yit can only be reported once so as a result this would mean a disgruntled bidder who was beaten could report it.
as nos said though, its an auction, how can anyone tell the appropriate price for somethng, its based on supply an demand
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Azz420
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Originally posted by Nosforano
The only way to police the pushing of items for large amounts of stones is to monitor the amount of people bidding on an item. If its only a few bids then pushing is a possibility, if many bidders a genuine auction.
As for buying items below there `retail` value, thats the luck of the draw. If a reserve price wasn`t set, if the auction ends in the early hours when only us insomniacs are bidding and you only get a low bid....tough. |
the amount of bids dosnt mean its a push
as you can see on forums people will offer for items
and some reserves can be over what most people would bid for an item anyway
its all down to demand and whether the people who want to buy items have the stones to outbid others :/
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I agree with you Azz, just trying to come up with some way as to identify a push.
Mods and devs can all read the forums and identify a genuine price agreement, the deal is all in the open - everyone can see it.
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Azz420
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The only way they have is from reported auctions
which dont seem to matter as i dont remember anyone being banned for pushing ???
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Well, the real problem is whether we have free auction or not.. If I want to pay for something 2, 3 or 4SS because I WANT IT, its my problem. We can see it also in real life. People are paying huge amount of money for something they really WANT.
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Artoir.
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Ive had the same problem, particularly with my legendary scythe
As there is no market price for the item, how many stones would be considered a push?
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i paid 2 ls for a murdous thunderfist
and later sold it for 2hs 2bs does that means i pushed or the prices changed
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Mystraval
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I agree on a lot of what has been said, but blatant pushing should be punished. Its too easy to set up another account on your computer,, (its my sister wants to play..!!!!) Then divert all the good stuff to one account. my opinion for what its worth on people who do this, is your only cheating yourself really,, cos you aint as good as your making out to be.
There is an example on the auction right now, a hawks chain now maybe someone really really wants that hawks chain, only it seems suspicious to me that it has been on offer over 12 hours and it has been bid upon for the same time, only one bid has been made, and to me the price is massively over the top.
maybe others will see it different to me, but here it is.
Hawk`s Chain (+3) 1 0 / 0 / 2 / 1 / 5
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i think pushing is a load of nonesense, there my stones if i walk into a shop and say how much is that kitkat, and the shopkeeper says 50p, its up to me if i give him £20, its MY MONEY, and the shop keeper would be remedial if he refused, how much an item is worth should just be how much the bidder is willing to pay and the seller is willing to accept
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Raxis
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HOwever the amount is very strange....
Unless it's diablo completing his hawks set?
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Azz420
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i say good luck to the seller
and to the high lvl rich gunner what bought it 
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Originally posted by Raxis
HOwever the amount is very strange....
Unless it's diablo completing his hawks set? |
Yes, the set is now complete
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woah mortis have u completed the hawks set now then?
Does it give u a bonus?
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Mortis
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Not me, diablo, so you must ask him 
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Evangelion
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This thread is about pushing, not the Hawk's set. That's a warning for Mortis and DeathRanger.
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Originally posted by Mystraval
I agree on a lot of what has been said, but blatant pushing should be punished. Its too easy to set up another account on your computer,, (its my sister wants to play..!!!!) Then divert all the good stuff to one account. my opinion for what its worth on people who do this, is your only cheating yourself really,, cos you aint as good as your making out to be.
There is an example on the auction right now, a hawks chain now maybe someone really really wants that hawks chain, only it seems suspicious to me that it has been on offer over 12 hours and it has been bid upon for the same time, only one bid has been made, and to me the price is massively over the top.
maybe others will see it different to me, but here it is.
Hawk`s Chain (+3) 1 0 / 0 / 2 / 1 / 5 |
That was me who put that on auction, it was worth that much to diablo as he was completing his set, its not pushing, and as scillage said, hawks is very rare and very expensive
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Evangelion
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Pushing ????
