alyat
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absorbers are totaly overpowerd with the 5% easyness anyway
they are strongest race in bw
why to increase the max easyness???
there is no one at server with lvl 115 who has full easyness
i think all other races (or female chars which are still underpowerd 
should get a boost of 2-3%
it cant be that only absorber can wear highendgear
they are always at least 5 lvl better equipped than the others
these easynessbonus makes game totaly unbalanced
just for example
Perfect Elvish Cape of the Death Sower (+5) CLOSE lvl104
Defence: 42
Effects: REPUTATION +29, AGILITY +101, TOUGHNESS +24, damage of all weapons +1 for every 4 levels, chance for critical hit +38 %, item defence +15, all weapons damage +21
Requirements: LEVEL: 169, STRENGTH: 93, AGILITY: 108
ok lvl 169 requirement
absorber can use it at lvl at lvl 101
all other races need to reach lvl 104!!!
3 lvl difference at highlvl means 1 year of playing^^
where are the relation?
other fine example
Perfect Hunter`s Cape of the Death Sower (+5) CLOSE
Defence: 62
Effects: REPUTATION +29, AGILITY +56, TOUGHNESS +24, damage of all weapons +1 for every 4 levels, PERCEPTION +35, KNOWLEDGE +39, chance for critical hit with guns -41 %, chance to hit with melee weapons -47, all weapons damage +21, item defence +35
Requirements: LEVEL: 165, STRENGTH: 159, AGILITY: 108
lvl requ absorber lvl100
strenght requ aborber at lvl 100 str 96 and at lvl 103 str91
lvl requ all other races lvl103
strenght requ all other races at lvl 103 str 99
at same lvl 8str difference - lol
get 8str as someone who uses gun^^ thats nearly impossible
and this is just an example with str
all other attributes requirements are lowered by 5%!
i really think that the easynessbonus is the godmode for absorber
what i didnt complain is that absorber can have best squares cause its lot easier to upgrade it
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07-05-2012 09:13 |
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darc
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well how about taking away the Easiness that act 2 gave you so we can keep our racial bonues then its.
you choose to be a tc i choose to be an absorber for the easiness and with the act 2 every gets its so we lose our bonues and i noticed when i build certain buildings i dont need 3 easiness items just 2 because the stats wont go any further down with 3 on anymore
we lose out on our racial bounes and i dont think tats fair because everyone gets it now.
well yeah it is fair you get luck how about in act 3 we all get luck then or an extra 10% hp i dont see any of your racial bonues being affected instead you just sit back and get ours free.
the extra 5% would be to allow us to keep our racial nothing else.
but we could work it the other way all other races only get 45% easiness and absorbers get 50% if that makes it any better for you
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07-05-2012 16:51 |
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alyat
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i choose female tc cause the pic looked best^^
i had no idea about the game i thought its well balanced
i play now since 2 years and a half and reached a good position where i can see some things different like at the beginning
so mistake was to choose female but meanwhile i joke about 
i like my tc and i think too tc is op in ambush against all other races exept absorber
the nerf will be ok if they dont lower it to much
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i didnt know that easiness will come that important that u will reach godstatus
that i need just half of experience to wear right gear i have recognized very late
if i have to play 2 years more than i can maybe wear same stuff like an absorber 2 years before is ridiculous
i think all other races should get 2-3% easiness to come closer to balancing
50% cap is ok like it is
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darc
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Well when i picked i looked at what i got not the pic
And no every race shouldnt have that you get enough and what would absorbers get in the trade off for all the races getting that. Nope i like 45% cap now and absorbers get 50% so we can keep our racial bonues
Next time you play a game check the stats you get not the pic
Am not.asking for extra just to keep what we were given at the start
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07-05-2012 17:34 |
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alyat
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well u are right i should inform me better
but normaly a gamesystem should be balanced so it should be not important which race u pick^^
maybe we come together when absorber get 45% cause they are exhausted wearing highlevlequip at lowlvl
and all other can reach 50%
no joking serious its really disapointing when ppl lower can wear better equip
at least whole gamesystem is running around equip
but if u have to get 5 lvls more to use same hmmm there must be something wrong
i think developers never checked above lvl100 cause the differences in every point of lvl is huge
i plann some nice sets and i have all mergestuff but as nonabsorber i need 20000k exp to wear it as absorber just 12500k so just 4500k more
but no to wear my new stuff i will need 12000k^^
hmm ok i will wait now 2 and a half years than i can wear the stuff that an absorber could use in 6 month
do u see the point?
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07-05-2012 17:50 |
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darc
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Nope because thats what absorbers get we dont get luck which gives you an extra 10 rep in ambush you dont get hp just better chance of get ambush ours is that. You only notuce now because we all get essiness now and absorbers are 5 ahead becasuse its our trait
I looked at that and went cool i can wear stuff faster things is its useless at start till you get higher because the higher the stat the bigger the reduction so for.
So for at least the first 10-15 lvls it makes no diffrence at all. And we still have to wait.
We should get the extra 5% because its our trait whats next you going to say we shouldnt absob powers next because you cant use majisty on us.
Absorbers arnt op you just dont like we got something you want.
And am sticking with. Cap decruse
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07-05-2012 18:33 |
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FlashAOD
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Waste of time. Give them more and more benefits aye? Not happy with the huge crit AND luck.
You get ahead start with the easiness & the rest of the game gets the chance to catch up.
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07-05-2012 18:50 |
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Pingu
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Registration Date: 01-01-2012
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Flash , the luck+Crit is an A2 arcane...TC's get majesty , Cultists get searing blood , BM's get an extra attck ect ect,
Ontop of that thoughcatchers get 10 Luck for there racial bonous,
Cultist get 5
Beastmaster get extra hp from buildings
Absorbers get 5% easiness.
Everybody gets the bonous from the start and all other races keep there's once they hit 115 so why should absorbers?
I'm a cultist...Or was before I got banned but I still agree with this...absorbers arn't the strongest race , It just depends how you set your char up...As a sniper I don't need the crit chance from the arcane...
My opinion ;-)
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07-05-2012 19:26 |
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Grizly
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Registration Date: 11-10-2009
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i am absorber and i agree that 5% easiness is very nice bonus at high level...
but, but, but.... you chose your character at beginning not me or someone else...
and if there is a change then when you want to "complain" something come with a new idea, not just a scream...
Also like Pingu says: all races get their bonuses:
Cultist - HP+agility+damage...
beastmaster - 1 attack (and i think this is the best bonus in this game for 2HM) +HP
TK - huge HP and damage, especially for 1HG and ranged
AND SECOND
stats difference between P+4 and P+5 are not very big, so don't cry about 4 or 6 agility, cultist get 30 agility bonus from arcana, absorber only 4-6
1 attack from beastmaster overcompensate 4 more damage from an weapon at P+5
same for TK you get 10-20 bonus damage per attack from arcana...
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07-06-2012 16:43 |
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darc
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its amazing how alot of you think am being unresonable am not asking for anything extra just for us to keep what we should have how is that that being unfair or op its ours we picked it so tough you all get eassiness now that should be enough for you, you arnt losing out just absorbers are
and our bp gives +1 luck per lvl and 0.75 crit per lvl how is that op compaired to damage and hp and extra attacks.
i just want ether our cap raised or every other race dropped by 5% to refect our racial bonues
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07-06-2012 18:22 |
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brundlefly
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Originally posted by darc
its amazing how alot of you think am being unresonable am not asking for anything extra just for us to keep what we should have how is that that being unfair or op its ours we picked it so tough you all get eassiness now that should be enough for you, you arnt losing out just absorbers are
and our bp gives +1 luck per lvl and 0.75 crit per lvl how is that op compaired to damage and hp and extra attacks.
i just want ether our cap raised or every other race dropped by 5% to refect our racial bonues |
i here what ur saying darc...but my arcana never works against absorbers (im a beastmaster btw) but ur arcana will always work against me...
personally i think absorbers are super strong ...to get capped easiness at 50% it takes a while and generally absorbers should progress quicker in the game to get to the max cap as they should b wearing better gear than others around their level.
most of us play in this range so that is all that we r concerned about atm.
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07-06-2012 23:24 |
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Pingu
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Originally posted by darc
its amazing how alot of you think am being unresonable am not asking for anything extra just for us to keep what we should have how is that that being unfair or op its ours we picked it so tough you all get eassiness now that should be enough for you, you arnt losing out just absorbers are
and our bp gives +1 luck per lvl and 0.75 crit per lvl how is that op compaired to damage and hp and extra attacks.
i just want ether our cap raised or every other race dropped by 5% to refect our racial bonues |
i here what ur saying darc...but my arcana never works against absorbers (im a beastmaster btw) but ur arcana will always work against me...
personally i think absorbers are super strong ...to get capped easiness at 50% it takes a while and generally absorbers should progress quicker in the game to get to the max cap as they should b wearing better gear than others around their level.
most of us play in this range so that is all that we r concerned about atm. |
Its not about wearing the best gear , its about how you use it and against who...
After-all look at people such as nadleeh , stuck on pheonix badge then look at hyperion or myself...It all matters on luck off drops and badges to how fast you progress...Also if you've got a good exp targets aswell ;D
Still though...TC's get +10 luck...Why not take that away from them as there's now the evo's to give luck?
That's pretty much what your doing to absorbers by declining them from there easiness racial bonous.
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07-07-2012 03:16 |
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TheKid
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easiness should be not be chanaged end off its good how it is this should'nt have carried on like it has
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07-07-2012 04:38 |
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darc
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ok well how about once a person reaches lvl 115 they lose a racial bonues that should keep it fair since we lose ours you can lose yours.
since you saying its ok for us to lose ours it must be ok to lose yours so tc lose 10 luck bm drop some hp cultist can lose there 10bp that would be fair since 5% easiness is so op
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07-07-2012 18:42 |
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Pingu
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How is it fair that >>>1<<< race looses there racial bonous? Everyone above says absorbers are oped?
How exactly?LOL...If you use nothing against them they have nothing to block or absorb...If they use power of blood you go maxed out on arcane?
OPed? Think not.
There 5% easiness is like a alternative as other races can use there bonous in combat....absorbers get there's to wear slightly better gear and build better squares...
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07-07-2012 21:28 |
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Sapling
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This discussion is terrible and should have stopped a long time ago.
There is nothing to change in the easiness cap.
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07-08-2012 16:50 |
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digitelis
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if you feel you lose your racial trait at higher levels, then why not change the racial trait from +5% easiness to "absorbers gain 1% easiness per level between levels 60-69" instead of 1% every two levels between 60-69, that way you don't have to make all other races worse just so yours can stay overpowered and you won't lose your racial bonus either
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07-08-2012 17:15 |
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darc
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if you feel you lose your racial trait at higher levels, then why not change the racial trait from +5% easiness to "absorbers gain 1% easiness per level between levels 60-69" instead of 1% every two levels between 60-69, that way you don't have to make all other races worse just so yours can stay overpowered and you won't lose your racial bonus either |
we would still lose it at lvl 115 how about taking the act 2 easiness away altoghther since you think we shouldnt have it and watch all you gear come off.
we get the easiness as our trait so please why cant anyone say why we shouldnt have it instead of saying we op or it would make us op from a 5% we have had since the start of the game and will lose when the cap is reached! and if the cap was increased by 5% that would be 5% that we still have now and should still have at end game
and sapling i believe thats spam since you had nothing to add.
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07-08-2012 19:47 |
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FlashAOD
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if you feel you lose your racial trait at higher levels, then why not change the racial trait from +5% easiness to "absorbers gain 1% easiness per level between levels 60-69" instead of 1% every two levels between 60-69, that way you don't have to make all other races worse just so yours can stay overpowered and you won't lose your racial bonus either |
we would still lose it at lvl 115 how about taking the act 2 easiness away altoghther since you think we shouldnt have it and watch all you gear come off.
we get the easiness as our trait so please why cant anyone say why we shouldnt have it instead of saying we op or it would make us op from a 5% we have had since the start of the game and will lose when the cap is reached! and if the cap was increased by 5% that would be 5% that we still have now and should still have at end game
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How many people are level 115? How many people are fully easiness capped. How many times in the YEEEEEEARS that this server has been running has anybody ever complained about the easiness.
I understand what your saying, but its a bonus you have along way through the game. We're all just catching up.
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07-08-2012 19:54 |
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digitelis
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If you still had that easiness bonus after 115% then the game would get very unbalanced and the Absorber would be very overpowered, especially Necropolis, where the Absorbers would be able to have at least 4 levels higher garrison/arm shop than everyone else while silence of blood could neutralize every other classes arcana (almost) completely (Cultists might be able to have a few levels searing left and Thoughtcatchers could probably have a few levels of mask of adonis/caligula left but that would be countered by the absorbers 10% hp bonus)
The most extreme example would be if an Absorber and cursed one fought, the absorber could easily block all the cursed ones arcana and probably absorb some of it as well or use a couple of extra levels of power of blood, then they would also have a 10% hp bonus (and on necro a +5 dmg bonus) and if that weren't enough then they would get additional hp bonuses from the higher leveled buildings that only absorbers would be able to reach
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07-08-2012 20:24 |
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darc
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your joking arnt you i use full silence of blood and tc still have over 10 mask cal and get huge hp even in def tc get massive def since most of the other races bp are cheap to use yeah our slince of blood is cheap at 15 bp but absorb is 30
and power of blood yeah gives crit but 0.75 isnt eactly impressive is it and 1 luck every 1 lvl and at the cost of 25 bp.
we have to be smart with ours since all a tc has to do to stop being beat up is stop using majesty in def and increase there charisma and there sorted oh should i absorb the charisma no it does nothing for me so all am doing is reducing there hp.
bm 20% hp racial can increase there weapon dmg and def act 2 extra attack per melee weapon per round
cuiltist hp every round increased agilty act 2 just pure dmg to point where they had to change it racial +5 luck and +10 bp
apart from horror and shadow of the beast and majesty all you pb are cheap compared to what absorbers have to pay plus our powers are useless against each other in act 1 we cant absorb silence of blood or block absorb so every race can use all there bp from lvl 1 against all races we cant.
and now you think something we already have should be taken away because we have it and you dont how petty can you lot get its no fair they can do this and that let me ask you can you really get the ppl and money to build thoses buildings that high.
or how about asking a clan member who is an absorber to build something for you
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07-08-2012 21:21 |
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PhuctiphinO
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Since act 2/3 came out absorbers aint owt special , 5 yrs i had a account (4+yrs playing due to deaths in family)
Is ppls within our clan who have been playing 2 yrs and are up to my lvl if not surpassed thru simple introduction of Legendary weapons , act 2 arcana and such
Absorbers have there pro's but is many cons also .......
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07-09-2012 12:34 |
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This discussion is terrible and should have stopped a long time ago.
There is nothing to change in the easiness cap. |
Indeed
There will be always something you don´t like about other races. This time it´s easiness, next time it might be horror or whatever else.
I used to be absorber and changed to cursed one. Now i know it wasn´t the best thing coz now i´ve a little problem with crit but nothing serious, can be solved by evo.
And also as Paranoia said there´s long way to reach lvl 115 so why to cry about something you can´t reach any soon. They have easiness, you have majesty. So you are equal. Everyone has his own special, that´s how universe is built.
If absorber is so OP then why there are people playing other races too?
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07-09-2012 15:43 |
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Demandred
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maybe it'll be a long time till someone reaches lvl 115 and gets capped, but it wont be so long untill we find an absorber with demon lord tattoos reaching lvl 100...
when I think about it, this is a huge amount earlier to when most will be capped, I cant really say if the advantage of reaching 50% easiness so early outweighs the fact that they will be underpowered when other players do reach lvl 115 (even if it is a long way away) as they will have lost bonuses from both race and tattoos.
and I dont agree that just because this isnt a problem that effects us right now means we shouldn't address it. Ever hear the saying "a stitch in time saves nine"
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07-10-2012 16:47 |
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Szeszej
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Unfortunately this is not something we're willing to do. Our understanding is that the bonuses of other races also get weaker with time and providing absorbers with 55% easiness would imbalance the game too much.
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07-10-2012 16:58 |
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darc
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it wouldnt when at end game and lvl 115 everyone would have 50% so we would just have that extra 5% that we have already.
and how can 20% hp get weaker or even 10 luck which helps in getting through in ambush, dodge and to hit plus the increase in quest chance and drops thats alot of things for just one thing and they dont even have to spend blood
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07-10-2012 17:24 |
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FlashAOD
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Thank you Sjez, what we've been saying..
And what i said in this thread already.. how many people are level 115.. If anybody is level 115 let me know.
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07-10-2012 18:40 |
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Mikel
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Here is an answer!
it was funny thread, but i have to close it now 
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