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In connection with the demands of players to increase the number of mobs we have prepared the following changes:
1. The cost of the ritual will be increasing at a lower rate.
2. The cost of the ritual will be reset on 1st and 15th of every month.
3. Every player that has higher level than the default max player level of the mob will increase the stats of the mob.
The patch will be implemented on 28th of October 2008.
Good luck!
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The patch should reflect the fact that people here CANNOT get their badges!
We don't need stronger monsters so high level players can still farm lower level mobs.
Did we misread this or something?
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Just noticed something else too with number three. There's abotu five members in my clan in act two, all over the optimum level for black dragons. Guess what this means? As of tomorrow, they can't help the medium level players in my clan get their black dragon badges because they will bring an Act two beast that's EVEN STRONGER because of their level. And guess what? HALF MY CLAN DOESN"T HAVE THE BLACK DRAGON BADGE. Therefore these players who HELP the lower players get their badges have become useless to the lower players.
When I signed up for clan leader, I made it so that most of the time I would be the strongest of the bunch. Not for my own personal gain but so I could fit more people into my clan, lower and midpointed players so I could help them get their badges, get stronger whatever. Now I can't do that. I can't help anyone in my clan who needs a hand in a black dragon expo. I can solo bird sure, but if it's stronger it's not going to help the person trying to get the badge.
And people like God_Like_Friend are screwed. There's a few in my clan in his position and a few in NIGHT. On that topic, sparxs in DARK is actually in NIGHT. He can't go back there now. They won't stand a snowballs chance in h*ll of getting a black of white dragon badge since he's in act 2 and higher leveled. That's his whole purpose for being in NIGHT. There goes THAT. Our higher leveled members can't help people in that position now, they'd be too strong. heck people in God_Like's position can't even help themselves because they're too strong.
I don't know why I'm pointing all this out, not like anyone's actually going to listen the day before it comes out. On that note, it may have been NICE had we gotten a bit more of a warning on that. Maybe we could have dicussed it a bit more to see if we actually wanted number 3. We're not as strong as the other servers, we play a whole different game. Just because this patch may suit them doesn't mean it will suit us. And yes, we've been complaining about the strength of monsters...IT'S BEEN TOO HIGH. So thanks for doing THE TOTAL OPPOSITE of what we've been asking.
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It honestly feels like we have to level rediculously hi, just to get a badge which then won't be worth much EXP 
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Personally, knowing the BW community quite well, I think you have masked a patch which will cause ruin by saying that 'many' people have suggested this but honestly who is looking forward to this?
It's just so stupid, are you intent to ruin the game?
Ok points 1 and 2 seem valid but what the f*** is 3 about? Come on why don't you just remove expeditions if you're going to ruin them for people like me.
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Lysandra
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could some1 explain num 3 to me?
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im guessing from your posts that if you take some1 higher level than you on a expo the monsters get stronger...?
im gueesing if thats right then what there trying to do is make people stronger or something? or force you to not to rely on higher players in your clan...?
or more than likely something to do with the polish server...?
i dunno; il wait till its here and im faceing a pheonix with 180-200 agility before i rant about it...
1 thing szeszej thou; if the monsters get stronger i take it there is a limit of how much they can grow???
i really thing the devs/admins should start playing, something useful might be put in then and not cocked up with something like that 
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that's exactly what three means. it means if you take someone above the opitmal level of the expo monster with you, you get a stronger monster. how much stronger hasn't been said but take into the account the differences between and Act 2 and act 1 monster, i think you'd get about the same. And you honestly think with all the other little things wrong in game like requirements and what not they'd really think of a cap off point to expo monsters?
Yes, a few medium level players can take down expo monsters. Heck I remember we had to three and four man white and blacks back in the day but this will slow down mid-level and low level players from getting their badges especially if the higher or stronger medium-level players can't help them.
And knightroad, consider this. Two act two players give an almost unbeatable monster unless the whole team is around optmial level. Two act two players above the optimal level will only be able to take strong players who can hit the monster with them. if not, the expo will fail. what this will cause is an even greater gap between high and midpointed players because the high pointers won't be helping the midpointers to win their expos, they'll all be trying to win there own. Where I do agree it gives a challenge, about...hm. 80% or so players aren't ready for that challenge.
We're NOT THE POLISH BOARD, WE DON"T PLAY LIKE THEM. i don't know how many people have to say that to you before you figure it out. Just because a patch turned out great over there, doesn't mean it will work here. Why don't you at least give us a week notice for changes like this so we can actually discuss it and decide what would be best?
Again devs/admins/whoever, great job. we really need a bigger point divide and stronger monster. We really didn't want to help our lower and mid pointed clan memebers at all. Yes, that was sarcasm.
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could some1 explain num 3 to me?
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im guessing from your posts that if you take some1 higher level than you on a expo the monsters get stronger...?
im gueesing if thats right then what there trying to do is make people stronger or something? or force you to not to rely on higher players in your clan...?
or more than likely something to do with the polish server...?
i dunno; il wait till its here and im faceing a pheonix with 180-200 agility before i rant about it...
1 thing szeszej thou; if the monsters get stronger i take it there is a limit of how much they can grow???
i really thing the devs/admins should start playing, something useful might be put in then and not cocked up with something like that
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that's exactly what three means. it means if you take someone above the opitmal level of the expo monster with you, you get a stronger monster. how much stronger hasn't been said but take into the account the differences between and Act 2 and act 1 monster, i think you'd get about the same. And you honestly think with all the other little things wrong in game like requirements and what not they'd really think of a cap off point to expo monsters?
Yes, a few medium level players can take down expo monsters. Heck I remember we had to three and four man white and blacks back in the day but this will slow down mid-level and low level players from getting their badges especially if the higher or stronger medium-level players can't help them.
And knightroad, consider this. Two act two players give an almost unbeatable monster unless the whole team is around optmial level. Two act two players above the optimal level will only be able to take strong players who can hit the monster with them. if not, the expo will fail. what this will cause is an even greater gap between high and midpointed players because the high pointers won't be helping the midpointers to win their expos, they'll all be trying to win there own. Where I do agree it gives a challenge, about...hm. 80% or so players aren't ready for that challenge.
We're NOT THE POLISH BOARD, WE DON"T PLAY LIKE THEM. i don't know how many people have to say that to you before you figure it out. Just because a patch turned out great over there, doesn't mean it will work here. Why don't you at least give us a week notice for changes like this so we can actually discuss it and decide what would be best?
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ahh, i see... thanks for clearing it up for me, im not a big ole smarty pants like u guys
lol, well il wait till i do a expo before i go nuts and crazy... and probs say somethings that will get me band...
and everything you wrote there u will find in my requirement thread
atleast wait i say; this affects everyone; not just 2h melee users like requirements; we dont even know how much bigger they are going to be; if its a few perception/agility your going to look quite silly... well increadble silly... and i think i have made myself look to silly in to many other threads
love the sarcasm btw
just 1 iddy wincy little thing... when 1.1 came i think no one had a problem with stronger monsters as you got more exp... and i dont know if u have noticed or maybe it is just the fact i have bad luck and get big monsters but the higher level of the monster the more exp you get... sooo... you actully going to be giveing lower members of your clan more XP from expo's...
but im not 100% sure about the size of the beast = more/less exp :S
omg... i sound like im standing up for the devs 
im not... i promise
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The 1st 2 are good news I would say. There is never enough Golems/Golden drakes to kill.
The 3rd addition is a bit weird. I helped in a phoenix expo where I was the only damage dealer, what were the chances that there will be a badge? Almost none (bear in mind I have 13 attacks + searing blood). I got zero experience, but the reasom I did it was cause the others will get the xp and motivation. What is wrong with that? Its not pulling, its helping.
On the other hand people will have to take members with equal points for expeditions which will increase their chances to get the badge. It will be harder to win the expo, thats for sure.
I'm not going to argue or shout untill I see how bad it is.
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bobalob57
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well i think theres a simple solution to doing this.
the devs want the higher levels to be able to go on expos and get oodles of xp.
we [the middle class and lower class] will then see these rediculesly high levels, and want to be like them, and discover you cant level up as fast witout premiun. because they want to be able to be as good as the best levels then they will buy premiun.
or mybe they could just be not giving it much thaught.
the oly way something like this would work is that if it worked in reverse as well, say 6 level 20s could take out a white drake if they tried quite hard, or all expo monsters are worked out on the basis of xxxx-xxxx [levels] + (average level of group-max level)
so for example, a white drake versus a team of 6 level 20s would have a 20 perception penalty, will versus 2 level m60s would get a 20 perception bones [assuming the max level is 40, which i dont think it is]
would that not work?
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icecold
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u got to b joking, these freaking mobs r hard enough to kill as it is. i spent over 1000poh the other week on reds and i didn;t get a single bit of exp from any of them cause the dragons were all like 190 agility and + so this has got to b the worst thing they can do to the game in my opinion
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Lysandra
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Case in point:
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=45e3ce8b6e
Well lookie that, one over the optimal level, two very close to being over it. All have high perception (two over 80, one high 70's) and they still had a hard time at getting it close to being killed. Yes I realize they could have snipers with 2 hits but I know one, possibly two of those guys ARE NOT gunners. They're melee based players (last I checked). Oh and not one of them has their badge yet either.
So tell me, do we need stronger monsters because if the patch comes up, that dragon would have been stronger then what it was. And no, no one complained about the stronger monsters you get in act two, why? Because it was our choice to move to act two to get them and it's our choice if we take players in act two in our expos. Simple as that. These mid level players don't have a choice, they'll get a stronger monster whether they like it or not.
So no, even if it's only a bit stronger, I'm not going to end up looking silly. If three level 50+'s can't take it out now with decent perception, how are they going to do it tomorrow?
*in case message gets deleted:
Daniel86 (*) 311 / 0 0 / 633 (lvl 53 78 perc)
Xtf 801 / 0 0 / 633 (lvl 53 87 perc)
dyson 966 / 0 0 / 652 (lvl 55 81 perc)
Black Dragon 2086 / 3 1063 / 3141
All three used eye of the cat, at least one is not a gunner. Two haven't made it to the level where extra attack is possible so sniper with two hits becomes null. All used Good hunting rifles +1.*
EDIT: http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=efbc0d8894
If not for that LEVEL 57 helping all would have been lost. Yes, I know there's a pure melee in there. These are the types of expos we try to do at DARK so everyone gets a chance at experience even if they can't hit a dragon or have no honor. These may not go so well if the beasts are too strong.
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1 & 2 are excellent.
3 means that poeple who've offered to help me get my Black badge will now ruin my chances. I am very impressed. Why nopt start listening to the good iedeas, such as knightroads tattoo thread, and stop inpplementing patches full of drivel?
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WOW, what an incredible, thoughtful patch 
now with patch 2 and 3 combined i can look foward to getting my pheonix badge at lvl 60 
then i can continue to struggle to get, not only the other badges, but much needed exp. Great job.
Seriously, unless im mistaken, isnt there DOZENS of posts on the forum asking for easier mobs, especially pheonixes? But no, we get a special attack that never misses, and the great oppertunity to needlessly waste poh on doomed expos
Think it through
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Lestat666
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oh THATS great. jeez, so i get 2 be punished 4 bein the leader of a clan who cant take on blacks yet eh? great. we gotta wait longer b4 we can think bout black dragons now. great patch, reali great.
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God_Like_Friend
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I just feel the need to say that unless you are in the top 25 or so and often take down higher level monsters (ie. Sphinx, Arachne) then you are the only ones not being affected, although you feel the effects of this, everybody else who wishes to take a higher than optimum level is now going to be so Lucky to ever get another badge and that is the people like me, not specialised in gunning so needs help, or lower levels who just can't do much damage to a mob. So personally i'm thinking of giving up PoH sieges forever if it's just going to be wasted.
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Shasu
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Nice way to cover up a hidden nerf to any BW player. I seriously doubt any sane player would ask for point 3 of your list there. And if they did they slfish, arrogant, little snobs who should be ignored by default.
Let me remind you that we are not the polish server. I don't see any particular use to Ritual as I never seen an expo place being totally empty on the UK server like I did on moria. But putting that aside, quite frankly I don't care if you raise the ritual effectiveness or not as it doesn't concern about 98% of the UK server population. And if you wat to cater the remaining 2%, I won't hinder you.
But please do us all one favor, do not use such lame "goodies" to sneak in a heavy blow to those 98%.
Even though I will most likely repeat what previous posters said I still think you should get the idea that this is not just a protest of 2 or 3 players, thus I will add my voice to this.
Considering the fact that Expedition mobs already get harder with each act 2 player in an Expedition this patch adds totally unnecessary difficulty to the game.
I am by no means a high level player but what is the incentive now to those to help "lower" players in an Expedition to get some Exp or even a badge for them?
Virtually none to be blunt.
Not only they get alot less experience themselves but they additionally make the Expedition alot harder for anyone else. So basically you are asking high levels to stick with high levels and low levels to stick with low levels.
That is a nice way to alienate a big chunk of your player base. Oh and let me remind you, players = money .. frustrated players who leave = no money.
Even though I doubt our pleads here will be heard I would still like to strongly suggest to the Developers to a.) play their own game for once to get an idea what is needed and what is totally not and b.) if not interested in playing your own game, at least listen to the players and accept local differences between UK, PL and FR.
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Jimferatu
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I'd like a little more information as to exactly how this will be implemented and how much the penalty will be for those over the optimal level before I completely condemn number 3.
...However, I would like to humbly suggest a small adjustment to the ACT II monsters patch - Why not ONLY make expo monsters stronger if the expo is STARTED by a player in ACT2?
Players still in ACT1 that start an expo then still have a chance to get their badges by using whatever help they can find.
That way you could still implement the 3rd suggestion of making the monsters harder when mobs have players above the optimal level - But within reason!
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@Jimferatu, the problem is that this patch extend act 2 effect to all player who are above optimum level even if in act 1
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icecold
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@Knightroad pls don't give the devs any more good idea's to ruin the game for us
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Whats wrong with that? Its an ordinary phoenix expo with not enough damage. All Phoenixes stats were normal.
I was wondering what could give Devs the idea to implement No 3...
What we need is ignored and we get what the whole BloodWars get, which somehow depends just on Polish servers. Does it sound ok? No it doesn't.
The patch wont affect me much (luckily), but what has to be considered is the fact that 15+ regular players, often clanleaders have put relevant arguments why that will make the game more difficult and nobody even bothered to explain why.
I'm not even going to start about the 'because of the demand' thing...
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ON fact while they are at it why not triple the absorber cost of arcana, remove it's racial bonus' and give the whole bloody weapon system major deficits.
Devs. I implore, where did the demand come from
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The feedback we are getting from the Devs is just awesome. There is nothing I love more than being ignored. 
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maybe someone less antagonistic, BUT who agrees with mroe percpe gear that's easier to get for lowere level palyers too
Personalyl I am failing to see what inspired you devs to make the third part. It's preposterous.
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Number 3 will be a truly awful upgrade, it means i wont be able to help lower players get badges/exp anymore, which sucks.
I dont go on white tower expo's for the exp, i go because i want to help. If this patch comes into place it means ill make the monsters more difficult, so unlikely to get a badge. Please reconsider implimenting number 3...
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