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Beserkers......they seriously need a re-balance, the tattoo is basically + 1 attack, end of.
think about it
we do good damage but that's it, our pathetic +5% hp is nothing, black knight's also get an extra attack like us and our 5% hp bonus and luck ontop in a single tattoo path along with defence, +16 damage isnt much when talking 2h either and we get less exp bonus whereas the bk's have full exp and a very nice critical chance tattoo
when people are all suddenly turning up with 6/4 defence enchantments and such our damage suddenly becomes terrible with no chance of even equalling them let alone winning, doesnt help that we ourselves cant use 6/4 defence enchantments or even character defence + enchants, it's simply being a dead end
hitting is also no longer an issue for these "black knights" as they can wield all their favourite equipment and with leg 2h, we cant even avoid them!
a beserker should be getting + 2 attacks at least i mean seriously they have no defence but should have significantly more power than what is being given, being a "beserker" and all. Doesnt have to be another attack but something needs to change :/
i think something like current beserkers on the server must be like 1% 
Ps. bring on the abuse, it's kinda inevitable with me posting
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You suck that's why you want it rebalanced for your own benefit |
pretend it's not just you trying to be a dick, then read the post, and make an actual contribution to it rather than expressing your rather insignificant views
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You suck that's why you want it rebalanced for your own benefit |
are you mad?
you really must be,
just try black knight for 1 month please, maybe it will stop these stupid and ignorant posts.
'OMG i cant hit this beserker too high agi op i have to use assault for head and field for cape, so unfair buff bk!!!!!!'
is what you should easily get people saying if you actually learnt how to use your own brain in deciding gear and realise you can comfortably dodge everything bks throw at you.
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You suck that's why you want it rebalanced for your own benefit |
are you mad?
you really must be,
just try black knight for 1 month please, maybe it will stop these stupid and ignorant posts.
'OMG i cant hit this beserker too high agi op i have to use assault for head and field for cape, so unfair buff bk!!!!!!'
is what you should easily get people saying if you actually learnt how to use your own brain in deciding gear and realise you can comfortably dodge everything bks throw at you. |
if you were to read what i am saying that is not the problem, read first THEN post your thoughts
dodging isnt the problem or even involved in my whole argument the problem comes with the enchants and the fact that beserkers get an extra attack and basically nothing else, while others get + attacks, far better hp bonus, large amounts of crit and + to hit extra
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02-12-2013 17:16 |
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Originally posted by Ace Rimmer
Ok you want defence? Go bk
You want yet more damage against bk go female get headband
Berserker is 0 defence always has been always will be, a good berserker doesn't need defence
Edit: ps I wasn't just being harsh the truth hurts, you ain't that good and you won't be for a long time, not because you can't play but because you need end game gear |
no no no, i dont want defence, exactly where did i specify that?
precisely, a good beserker doesnt need defence, but the problem is when nearly all other tattoo's pile on the 6/4 defence we are certainly not doing half the damage we were doing before and unless we start finding extra attack enchants soon and lots of them, it just becomes a dead end.
btw what's exactly your experience in this game? i swear you claimed to be new?
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You suck that's why you want it rebalanced for your own benefit |
are you mad?
you really must be,
just try black knight for 1 month please, maybe it will stop these stupid and ignorant posts.
'OMG i cant hit this beserker too high agi op i have to use assault for head and field for cape, so unfair buff bk!!!!!!'
is what you should easily get people saying if you actually learnt how to use your own brain in deciding gear and realise you can comfortably dodge everything bks throw at you. |
if you were to read what i am saying that is not the problem, read first THEN post your thoughts
dodging isnt the problem or even involved in my whole argument the problem comes with the enchants and the fact that beserkers get an extra attack and basically nothing else, while others get + attacks, far better hp bonus, large amounts of crit and + to hit extra |
Do you see a Bk rolling round with Elvish Cape of xxx or a Tigers set of xxx? No yet Berserkers can use these, swings and roundabouts
6/4 defence enchant has come out what 3 or 4 times? One deleted, one much lower than you and one on Nndungu which doesn't even come into the equation
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You get the option to go absolutely any gear you like as long as you use suicide/vengeance
This is a huge deal, if you were other tats you'd just moan constantly about not being able to use certain gear
stop moaning, everyone else gets on with with berserker
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Originally posted by Pissedoffhyperion
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You suck that's why you want it rebalanced for your own benefit |
are you mad?
you really must be,
just try black knight for 1 month please, maybe it will stop these stupid and ignorant posts.
'OMG i cant hit this beserker too high agi op i have to use assault for head and field for cape, so unfair buff bk!!!!!!'
is what you should easily get people saying if you actually learnt how to use your own brain in deciding gear and realise you can comfortably dodge everything bks throw at you. |
if you were to read what i am saying that is not the problem, read first THEN post your thoughts
dodging isnt the problem or even involved in my whole argument the problem comes with the enchants and the fact that beserkers get an extra attack and basically nothing else, while others get + attacks, far better hp bonus, large amounts of crit and + to hit extra |
Do you see a Bk rolling round with Elvish Cape of xxx or a Tigers set of xxx? No yet Berserkers can use these, swings and roundabouts |
no you just see them very high level xxx xxx of speed
you seem to think an elvish cape of xxx/tigers set of xxx makes you impossible to hit...
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Indica
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wow swift, not this again, come on now.
just because you aren't high enough level to make the tat truly work is neither here nor there, some are very early game, some tats come to life mid level, and others, you've got to be insanely high for it to pay dividends.
i could give you a whole list of what you'd need, but it's pointless if you can't see the advantage of being a zerker.
forget people having 6/4defence enchants, play to your race & characters strengths. Ignore defence, be it from headband, or one of two enchants, or even both enchants. A female of any class can have 40% ignore defence (mildly irrelevant i know), farm for the enchants, since it's still 20% total on a male.
there you go, that's their defence issue solved. next problem? you can't avoid them? you can, stop doing it wrong is all i can say here, tigers set is your friend, and since you're using tigers bandanna of adrenaline, why not go make yourself a nice suffixed tigers cape, without going mad and saying tigers of speed, just use tigers of assassin, a chimp could merge one. Tigers kilt of dodges, needless to say, piece of cake to make, happy days.
you've got plenty of crit from tigers set, and what else have you got? dodge melee, problem solved! oh, you're also going to have a reasonable chunk of defence thanks to all the toughness, fixing the other thing you moan about.
Why is your exp tat only 8%? because it's not hard to get gear that works with the tats, hence can be mildly more effective sooner.
hope this helps ya.
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wow swift, not this again, come on now.
just because you aren't high enough level to make the tat truly work is neither here nor there, some are very early game, some tats come to life mid level, and others, you've got to be insanely high for it to pay dividends.
i could give you a whole list of what you'd need, but it's pointless if you can't see the advantage of being a zerker.
forget people having 6/4defence enchants, play to your race & characters strengths. Ignore defence, be it from headband, or one of two enchants, or even both enchants. A female of any class can have 40% ignore defence (mildly irrelevant i know), farm for the enchants, since it's still 20% total on a male.
there you go, that's their defence issue solved. next problem? you can't avoid them? you can, stop doing it wrong is all i can say here, tigers set is your friend, and since you're using tigers bandanna of adrenaline, why not go make yourself a nice suffixed tigers cape, without going mad and saying tigers of speed, just use tigers of assassin, a chimp could merge one. Tigers kilt of dodges, needless to say, piece of cake to make, happy days.
you've got plenty of crit from tigers set, and what else have you got? dodge melee, problem solved! oh, you're also going to have a reasonable chunk of defence thanks to all the toughness, fixing the other thing you moan about.
Why is your exp tat only 8%? because it's not hard to get gear that works with the tats, hence can be mildly more effective sooner.
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A high BK have ~250 agility = (250+75/3)*25% = ~344
A high Berserker ~350 agility (with tiger set you have less agility)
so BK have 90 % chances to hit a high Berserker, but if berserker use tiger set he have 20% chance to dodge...
Some calculation for high level players
BK Beast Master minimum damage 600
use xxx of speed... etc...
3 attack from item + 2 from speed + 1 arcana +1 tattoo = 7 attacks
criticals = 30% tattoo + 25% weapons + 20% evolution = 75 + 10 Black Diamond
Maximum damage = {[6*575 (bers = ~ 100 character defence)]*4 + 575 (non critical hit)} * 0.8 (20% dodge) = ~11500 damage
BZ Beast Master minimum damage 600
nr of attacks = 7
BK defence = ~300
normal damage = 600-(300/2) = 450
critical = 5% tattoo + 25% weapons + 20% evolution = 50% + 10% Black Diamond
Total damage = 4*450*4 + 3*450 = 8550 damage - less that BK
but if you use tiger set then you have 85% critical chances...
and damage = 6*450*4 + 450 = 11250
Conclusion
Only your personal luck can re balance the fight 
BK is a middle to high LVL tattoo
BZ is a 100% high LVL tattoo
If you love adrenaline then BZ is for you
if you love Tank stile then BK is the choice
PS: Please assess my work 
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Beserker is shite in defence , i felt also beserker was unbalanced hence i had to change tat .
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the maths is off, suicide, giving mad top end has potential for huge numbers, or even vengeance just for all round damage, you can reach agility a bk can't. You have initiative, ergo, you swing first, giving you a decent headstart.
zerker is fine as is imo, and i'll let you in on a secret, level 96, i'm switching to zerker.
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Can anybody post a report of one of the top Berserkers beating an equal or higher level Black Knight ?
I would like proof that berserker can do good Damage versus high defence and last long enough to win.
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I see you two calmed down, but Ace Rimmer and Pissedoffhyperion watch you tone and choice of words otherwise next time it will be a direct warning.
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Can anybody post a report of one of the top Berserkers beating an equal or higher level Black Knight ?
I would like proof that berserker can do good Damage versus high defence and last long enough to win. |
I use to have in the region of 600 defence with gargoyles mask and Albert Hoffman would roflstomp it with his leg cursed katana of vengeance |
But that weapon has no agility so will make you an easier target .
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with equal hp hoffman would have won
hypy
this is pgood example how hard htting zerkers can be
475 def and still doing 14-1500 crits
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with equal hp hoffman would have won
hypy
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yes only doing that by sacrificing that nice agility people going on about
your also forgetting dra gets a very nice hp bonus from the bloodsucker
and not bad strength too 
and how would he have won
? in the first round, hoff does 7451 damage while dra does a nice 9026
incidentially hoff is using a purely damaging weapon while dra isnt
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Ba_al
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i seem to remember getting nearly 400 agi with my set up
and dodging most melee quite easily and winning
all about ur set up..upgrade your gear..or merge a nice agile weapon
ambush sniper instead -.-
or just change tats and be done with it
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Can anyone beat Nndungu ?
Was rohlikus still Berserker and if so has he tried ?
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Can anyone beat Nndungu ?
Was rohlikus still Berserker and if so has he tried ? |
i remember getting roh to show me once
he was doing crits of 400 with his non leg chainsaw thing while the bk was using agile scythe of bs and doing plenty of 1600 odds 
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Ba_al
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Can anyone beat Nndungu ?
Was rohlikus still Berserker and if so has he tried ? |
i remember getting roh to show me once
he was doing crits of 400 with his non leg chainsaw thing while the bk was using agile scythe of bs and doing plenty of 1600 odds
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and is that the basis of this rant..that ndungu cant be beaten by a zerker..or are you on about bk's in general
nndungu has amasing gear and shouldnt be brought into this rant as an example as its a poor 1
also only 2 players have the 6/4 def enchant so its not like every player in the game has massive defense
i really dont see the problems with zerker tat tbh i just dont
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Dragan regenerated 2610 hp that makes the outcome alot different either way all your arguments have been proven wrong and you have no valid evidence to back it up with |
such an idiot.....btw you never answered my question significantly earlier in the thread about your experience, you kinda ignored it :/
for a start he regenerated 1305
, first round he didnt lose any hp so nothing actually happened
second take away the arcana, your left with a beserker with one less attack for a start and no regen, so arcana really didnt make much of a difference (hoff crits on him for about 1380, he regens 1305 of it, just incase you needed it explaining)
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plenty people can beat me, i just don't think anyone melee can
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i also would like to point out that, the current holders of both highest damage done with 2h meele in one hit AND highest damage done in one round with 2h meele both belong to black knights and not beserkers
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Indica
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on our puny little moria, bk has been pushed alot further than zerker, that doesn't mean zerker is bad etc, it just means the gear hasn't been pushed as far.
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using nndungu as an example isnt even fair.....il tell you why.
not only has he developed his gear, he is NUMBER 1 on the server.
rohlikus is 5 levels behind (character wise) but also 14k points between them.
if youre going to compare tattoos, at least do it with people who are close together level and points wise.
as we all know, 5 levels in this game can make a massive difference in what you can equip, and also the amount of stones you have to further develop your gear.
dont forget that there are certain items that cant even be used by bk at any level, whereas zerker can use anything as long as they have suicide or vengeance suffix.
also, you need to remember that zerker can also use 1h melee whereas a bk is specifically 2h melee.
berserker is a glass cannon tattoo. you wait for someone to climb to his level and push berserker gear as much as he has bk, then come and complain.
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Ba_al
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and the zerker
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=39a4a42343
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Amulet of Levi that isn't even good.. Lolololol. And you complain your not doing well?
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