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We propose to add the following things to BW:
1) Graveyard patch => graveyard will generate Poh (first lvl 5/h, second 10/h, third 20/h).
2) Hospital patch => hospital will generate PoH (1 Poh for every lvl of hospital per hour, max lvl of hospital = 10).
3) Employment agency patch => employment agency will generate more ppl (we dont know how much yet but it'll more ppl on higher lvls).
4) Clan leader patch => clan leader will not lose PoH on sieges and will get 2 times more PoH from sieges.
5) New-in-clan patch=> In the first 24h after joining a clan the person will not get any PoH from sieges. He will still be able to join sieges and start them.
6) Amount of PoH generated by cathedral will be reduced to 100 per hour (120 now). However, the total amount of genereted PoH will be the sum from all building.
In future we will add this: - Arena fights patch => you will be able to fight for PoH with other vampires on an arena. This project needs some testing still. This patch has been abandoned, instead we propose the following change:
- We have decided to abandon the concept of arena fights and instead introduce a much simpler system: PoH will be gained from attacks on other players. PoH gained will be equal to 1/10 of experience gained (which promotes lower zones). Honour won't be lost in this way.
Warning!
We will implement all proposal (all 7 points) or none of them. No chance to implement one of them only.
If there will be more votes for "NO" we will forgot about this topic.
this was on polish forum and i would like to thank Gumis1 for his translation. this is just an opinion poll. Corrected by Szeszej, official blessing given 
(only one vote each folks, think carefully 
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minshres
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did u get permission from the admin?
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its only here for opinions mate.
i would like to add that "bashing" the administrators will be regarded as spam and rewarded as such
this is a vote only.
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Voted for YES, of course. I still don't see how this could change anything, but go ahead and vote, just to be disappointed later
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but would u REALLY want poh so easily? that's is the question u wanna think about. easy exp mean no war. so ya... THINK!!! lol.. even though i still voted yes.. hahaha
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btw i think game after this patch will be to easy, sitting in clan and only making expedition and quests
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lol but then again since we WILLl get poh anyway so people might START to create war cause they will get poh from builds so nothing to lose u know...
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as Cez said, it also makes mercs for PoH sieges pretty pointless, would also be interested in what the requirements for these buildings are gonna be & what zones they will include.
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Looks like a fairly one sided poll.
Thing is this could go either way. IF people get complacent then yes it will be a bad thing, as war will be scarce. however fighting for squares may very well take hold, back to the good old days.... The Arena Pit Fight is what I want to see.
As I play this for expos mainly, the thrill of seeing something nearly unconquerable finally falling, then something bigger and going 'Oh *****'.... thus I voted yes
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Official blessing from here. Sorry it comes so late.
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If the second phase of the siege ends before the timer reaches 24 hours from joining the clan then the player won't receive and PoH.
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I voted yes... though I think #4 is odd... about the leaders. Not that I'm complaining mind you. But wouldn't that give clan leaders an insane amount of PoH eventually if they can't lose it in sieges? I mean that's all fine and dandy but I rarely have enough people to even start an expo (thanks to all the ranged players farming me...lol), all that honor would really just go to waste...
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To be honest, I haven't started any expos for ages. And I'm sure that Mortis, Azz420 and Helldemon also have problems with getting PoH. It's the clan leader's duty to join most of the sieges since his absence lowers the damage done by his clan members by 10%.
And of course the clan leader can't just leave the clan and go mercing in other clans. THat's the main disadvantage.
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| What happens tho if the Polish forum say NO, but we say YES. Would we get it and they don`t???? |
I believe they'll pool it all. So it actually would look like this
YES: 1613
NO: 1082
NOT SURE: 29
SO far yes its in front. But I think that's how it'll work, they'll pool it across every server.
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Voted YES of course.
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so if they pool the votes, what percentile split would constitute a YES result.
Does it have to be a majority vote in favour? would a 50.01% vote YES constitute a victory?
And also, this whole affair arose from the Polish forum and their abuse of the admins and devs (been reading their forum and they are worse than us lot at complaining). If they`d have kept their rants to a general moan (like us) and not abusive, these upgrades would have happened anyway. And now we put the UK servers future development back into the hands of the Polish forum.
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I voted yes.
I agree it will change the momentum of the game.
PoH sieges will not be necessary for the higher leveled players... oh wait, they've just crippled those anyway - so that's a bonus.
Take-over sieges will increase, because people will want the squares that bish out the most PoH & people. That sounds an interesting twist on the game - it will force players / clans to be more agressive.
But with the advantage of leaders, arena, & lowered cathedral poh, it should balance out.
(although I would ask - if the out put of buildings is changing - will this mean the Dev's will change the cost of buildings - i.e. increase cost of Graveyard, Hospital, & Employment - or lower Cathedral cost? ----- I DON'T think they should, I'm just querying the point.)
I don't fully see why people are against these patches? Maybe someone who disagrees can give an explanation of their choice?
The new in clan is actually a really senisble patch (from the Dev's pov) - I'm surprised they haven't already brought that one in.
Playing on the polish server has opened my eyes to this issue - EG: when there are takover sieges between the little players, 2 (and more) big players from the same clan will split themselves between the fighting clans - assuring themselves poh, but not caring who wins the square.
It is the common practice in war (you younglings go read your history books instead of trying to smoke them in a bong - read up on the Cuban Missile Crisis, or Vietnam, or more recently Afghanistan), the spoils of war are the only real interest of the people who supply the big guns - the truth may get flowered over; but it's still the truth.
I'm not saying this is a good/bad thing (although personally, I think it is a bad thing, hence that's why I play war-games, and don't take part in real wars!) - I'm just saying war is a dirty business.
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Damn good question - can we get somekind of idea of how the Dev's are going to decide where the cut of point is??
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I voted Yes,
but I still see a slight problem with takeover sieges in the sense, who can stop the clans wanting to take over to take more than the 24 hour limit to stock up on hitters and then just smash a smaller clan who has someone on a precious square...as they wont be able to get any help during the siege the attackers might get a big advantage. If I understood the new patch correctly that is.
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thanks for explaining I misread it then, so this way I fully support the patch as it will make the game a bit more exciting and Im not aware of any other serious drawbacks
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I don't think this is really a drawback
The first post has been updated.
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new addition on polish poll from Konrad.
UPDATE
7) We decided to abandon the idea of arenas, in favor of a simpler way of gaining reputation points - namely that it will be received for the fight between the players. 7) We decided to abandon the idea of arenas, in favor of a simpler way of gaining reputation points - namely that it will be received for the fight between the players.
The player up with another player will receive the amount of reputation = 1 / 10, gained his experience in fighting point. The player up with another player will receive the amount of reputation = 1 / 10, gained his experience in fighting point. This will be favorable for the lower zones, as well-known players from the attacking zone, they receive a higher number of more experience than the other. This will be favorable for the lower zones, as well-known players from the attacking zone, they receive a higher number of more experience than the other. Lost reputation for fighting will not be deducted. Lost reputation for fighting will not be deducted.
This change may be made only with the other changes proposed by us. This change may be made only with the other changes proposed by us.
Now, note. Now, note.
Changes may come all (7 points), or none. There is no intermediate option! Changes may come all (7 points), or none. There is no intermediate option!
If you passed the option 'NO', we recognize that the topic was not. If you passed the option 'NO', we recognize that the topic was not.
The duration of the survey to 2 days. The duration of the survey to 2 days.
EDIT :- First post has been edited by Szeszej, whilst I was translating. Apologise for multi-post
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In future we will add this: - Arena fights patch => you will be able to fight for PoH with other vampires on an arena. This project needs some testing still. This patch has been abandoned, instead we propose the following change:
- We have decided to abandon the concept of arena fights and instead introduce a much simpler system: PoH will be gained from attacks on other players. PoH gained will be equal to 1/10 of experience gained (which promotes lower zones). Honour won't be lost in this way.
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This is stupid, Yesterday you was blocking siege 1vs1 because people gain poh to easy, and now you want poh from ambush???
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In future we will add this: - Arena fights patch => you will be able to fight for PoH with other vampires on an arena. This project needs some testing still. This patch has been abandoned, instead we propose the following change:
- We have decided to abandon the concept of arena fights and instead introduce a much simpler system: PoH will be gained from attacks on other players. PoH gained will be equal to 1/10 of experience gained (which promotes lower zones). Honour won't be lost in this way.
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This is stupid, Yesterday you was blocking siege 1vs1 because people gain poh to easy, and now you want poh from ambush??? |
yeah this is goin to cause a great income of poh for everyone...resoursces will be even scarcer as every one will ambush 24/7 .......ppl wont need to steel sqaures to get poh as they just have to ambush...........will make poh gaining easier...alot easier i think...
but its 1/10th of exp gained..so if i get 200exp ill get 20 poh...its not a huge amount so its good.....would rather an arena though..where teams of players or friends could fight.
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I agree with Cesarz, it does seem self contradictory tbh... and besides i absolutely loved the idea of an arena system!
also it would promote more clans to be created due to the new advantages that leaders get...
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french moria server...80% have voted yes so far
and they have a link posted at the top of the screen for it aswell
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@Szeszej - Will the arena idea be added in some day without the poh system?
A real arena system just for fun.. maybe you bet blood/junk or somthing on the pit fights? Its a good idea that shouldnt be caste out so easily, deserves a space of its own and not included in these poh things
Re: PoH attacks - .... wa?? Thats not a thought out idea at all, that will add to much PoH into the game, its not needed to this extent, i mean getting 1000 from a siege and a few hundered from a days worth of attacks is just odd?
Another Idea - Pit Fights WOO lol, no seriusly, how about doing somthing with disposables, it costs a lot, takes all stats down by 10 (incl luck/defense) but then allows you to get PoH in siege even if you die (i.e. you doo 3000 damage, kill 5 people and only loose 500 life, youre worthy of getting poh)
Is that feasable?
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A big thumbs up to this patch suggestion. I would love to see it implemented.
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the latest patch is great but u shouldn't implement it. cause it jus stupid making game too easy :/
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Ha, I don't attack as much as I should anyway so I don't see it effecting me that much.
Basically if a person gains a point from attacks (1000 exp) then they would gain about 100 honor right? That's one white dragon expo. Granted they could farm higher level players and double it easily, so 200 honor in a day.
With that, what's the point of PoH sieges? All the high levels are just going to be farmed for exp (as if I'm not farmed enough by all the ranged people on the board...lol) and everyone's going to start losing resources again.
I prefer the arena idea to this, now no one is going to want an honor siege.
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HEY!!
Wait until half of us vote, and then change the patch! That is not fair. 
Over 2000 people had already voted across all the servers & then you go & throw in this new patch crap.
Devs - you guys really are a bunch of shoddy losers. No wonder you get so much abuse on the polish boards.
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no further thoughts on that topic but: DO IT!
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This is clearly a parralle universe were everything is opersite 
