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Which do you think is better and why?
I think rpgs are better 
Huge storys and engaging gameplay that usually creates a level of immersion no other genre comes even close to. Rts games are to tedious imo, i dont like having to wait 3 hours to find out ive lost 
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Rts games are to tedious imo, i dont like having to wait 3 hours to find out ive lost
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Thats kus u suck at em lol
Well i love both, but prefer RTS. Their both tedious if you dont enjoy playing them obviously.
I love RTS' with a mix of rpg, things like AoW and Warlords BattleCry were you get a leader unit, upping their stats and abillitys and take them through a huge stoyline thats constanly added to by modders and mappers is just amazing.
Especially when your leveling up 30-50+ units, getting veterans, treasuring the special items you find and chossing whether to tackly the dragons den and get special items or attack the enemys city and hinder their production!
I find it more fun, especially as the only way to add difference in an rpg is to give multiple characters at diff. stages through the game!
Edit: I love RPGs tho, its like living the story you read out of a book! Lotsa fun =]
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I think RPG is good and RTS too. I like both but i have two games which i play very long time. Its Warcraft III and Diablo II (few thousands hours every one)
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Well i get more immersed in RPGs, but i play a few RTSs (had to wiki what that meant) and them few i liked (assuming halo wars, S.W.I.N.E, and hostile waters are RTS)
The RPGs are alot longer and keep me addicted to them, but RTS (once again, assuming them 3 are RTS) i like playing just for the fact that i ACTUALLY know i'm getting somewhere, unlike RPGs where your just going where the wind blows you (or the a-holes XD)
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Well i get more immersed in RPGs, but i play a few RTSs (had to wiki what that meant) and them few i liked (assuming halo wars, S.W.I.N.E, and hostile waters are RTS)
The RPGs are alot longer and keep me addicted to them, but RTS (once again, assuming them 3 are RTS) i like playing just for the fact that i ACTUALLY know i'm getting somewhere, unlike RPGs where your just going where the wind blows you (or the a-holes XD) |
Huh, u just contradicted urself 
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[quote]Warlords BattleCry {/quote]
Warlords battlecry III, undead assassin, nothing can touch it
especially since Ive used the glitch to give him X10 attack speed ;D
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I persoanlyl love both, but overall I'm an RPG man. Oblivion being the second greatest ever, the first, for me, is FF VI, if you have never played it I advise it. the story depth is great, and there is some control over it (Whether a character dies or not) contrary to popular belief, VII was NOT the first one to deliberately kill of a playable character, it's just in VI you have the choice (Though you don't know it at the time) and third is FFX
Though my favourite overall RPG EVER above those above is Might and Magic, All the way from 1-8 (9 is good but has no story connection)
As for RTS, Age of Empires, Dawn of War ect. They are amazing games. But no RTS can match an RPG in terms of style. Though Warcraft III is pretty impressive, especially the very final scene of Frozen throne
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[quote]Warlords BattleCry {/quote]
Warlords battlecry III, undead assassin, nothing can touch it
especially since Ive used the glitch to give him X10 attack speed ;D
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I persoanlyl love both, but overall I'm an RPG man. Oblivion being the second greatest ever, the first, for me, is FF VI, if you have never played it I advise it. the story depth is great, and there is some control over it (Whether a character dies or not) contrary to popular belief, VII was NOT the first one to deliberately kill of a playable character, it's just in VI you have the choice (Though you don't know it at the time) and third is FFX
Though my favourite overall RPG EVER above those above is Might and Magic, All the way from 1-8 (9 is good but has no story connection)
As for RTS, Age of Empires, Dawn of War ect. They are amazing games. But no RTS can match an RPG in terms of style. Though Warcraft III is pretty impressive, especially the very final scene of Frozen throne |
7 was the 1st game to make ppl care that a character was killed off :p best game ever made lol, havnt we had this discussion before? 6 was amazing tho xD
Some rts games are good, but i think rpgs are better overall, more depth and playability
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7 was the 1st game to make ppl care that a character was killed off :p best game ever made lol, havnt we had this discussion before? 6 was amazing tho xD
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Except Shadow seems to be everyones favourite character from the FF series, so anyone who has palyed VI will have cared. Aerith was pointless anyway, I found her useless to my party
I suppose depth and playability all come down to the person.
What does Black and White fall under? I'm sure it's a bit of both
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rpg or rts
my answer is FINAL FANTASY lol
rpg all the way..the only series of games where you actually care for your charectors..tis just brilliant..
though for rts:command and conqer are great too.
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7 was the 1st game to make ppl care that a character was killed off :p best game ever made lol, havnt we had this discussion before? 6 was amazing tho xD
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Except Shadow seems to be everyones favourite character from the FF series, so anyone who has palyed VI will have cared. Aerith was pointless anyway, I found her useless to my party
I suppose depth and playability all come down to the person.
What does Black and White fall under? I'm sure it's a bit of both |
Havnt really played it :p
And aerith was my highest lvl'd character on my 1st playthrough, i was like nooooooooooooooo wen she died, was grim lol
Edit: c&c sucks
one of the reason i dont like rts
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C&C is very much overrated, excpet the Tiberian series, which are excellent.
Another example of an RTS I love is Starcraft, adn Starcraft II is coming soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZEEEEERRRRRG!
Still:
black and White.... what is it?
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C&C is very much overrated, excpet the Tiberian series, which are excellent.
Another example of an RTS I love is Starcraft, adn Starcraft II is coming soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Its an rts
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Really... except for the fact it has a story, and you play yourself ot be good or evil.... which is like fable, an RPG
Black and white I would say iss neither, since you choose your style of play and follow quitre a convoluted story
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Its top down view and u build and move loads of stuff...its rts lmao
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But you also shape a character (two if you count your pet) and decisions will affect gameplay later on.
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That doens't define RTS.
In Little Big Planet you build, have a top down view, yet it's an RPG.
And the fact is you choose the way you go with the story.
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Its an rts with rpg elements :p Alot of game get called rpgs when they arent because they have some elements that rpgs have
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I would say it's more the other way around. Since you spend more time working your creature out.
I mean if you want to be like that, FF isn't an RPG since you don't decide the story, it is already preset.
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Little Big Planet.
It's a straw man arguement here. Because the fact is no one has defined what either genre truely is, people are assuming.
Technically no game you play on console, Pc or whatever is an RPG: What do you actually roleplay? The Elder Scrolls and Fallout games come close though.
DnD is an RPG, WHFRP is an RPG, Traveller is an RPG. You see the connection?
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Elder scrolls and fallout are western rpg games whereas ff, star ocean and the tales series are eastern rpgs :p
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but the latter are not RPG's. You don't actually play your character. you are almost reading a book... I love the series but they aren't RPG's.
As Isaid, an RPG is DnD, aka dungeons and dragons. you craft your character, develop them yourslef. They are YOUR character, not someone elses, and you even gain points for playing them as you made them. That is what an RPG is
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Elder scrolls and fallout are western rpg games whereas ff, star ocean and the tales series are eastern rpgs :p |
but the latter are not RPG's. You don't actually play your character. you are almost reading a book... I love the series but they aren't RPG's.
As Isaid, an RPG is DnD, aka dungeons and dragons. you craft your character, develop them yourslef. They are YOUR character, not someone elses, and you even gain points for playing them as you made them. That is what an RPG is
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LMFAO, ur really saying that ff isnt rpg?
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Well i get more immersed in RPGs, but i play a few RTSs (had to wiki what that meant) and them few i liked (assuming halo wars, S.W.I.N.E, and hostile waters are RTS)
The RPGs are alot longer and keep me addicted to them, but RTS (once again, assuming them 3 are RTS) i like playing just for the fact that i ACTUALLY know i'm getting somewhere, unlike RPGs where your just going where the wind blows you (or the a-holes XD) |
Huh, u just contradicted urself
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Shaddap XD Immersed for me means forgetting to breathe, blink, and occasionally drooling, which is what i do while playing RPGs, RTS, as i said, not so much forgetting to breathe or drooling on keyboard/control, just... well me going "yay i did it, and it only took me severa- HOLY SHIT IT'S 5AM!!! Gah... one more stage..."
Ok i see your point now T_T
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Look i'm a frigging gamer, whatdya expect?!?!?!
P.S When someone says RPG to me, MMORPGs pop into my head (pick a job, do quests, run about like a dick) not oblivion etc (pick a race, pick a job, do quests, ride about on a dick... uhh... horse...)
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LMFAO, ur really saying that ff isnt rpg?
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In all truth yes it is not an RPG, since there is no real roleplaying involved (Bar maybe I and II) nothing you do really effects how the story turns out.
I liek tabletop gaming more, which is why I am quite stoic about what is and isnt RPG
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ur taking the term 2 literally, talbetop game aside ff is an rpg,u actively control the characters growth, and how each character progress skill wise. If the story progression was interchangable all the time games would lose their appeal. Trust me, ff is an rpg
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I knew I'd find it somewhere.
Video gmae RPG's are not RPG's they are called Pseudo-Rpg. What it means is that they took their original systems from true RPG games, tabletop, LARP ect. And incorperated it into a video game.
However since you have no control over the character's actions, it is a story, not an RPG. Thus it is a Pseudo-RPG. THe other reason why RPG was attached to them was to attract tabletop fans.
Thus Final Fantasy is not an RPG, except, strangely, FF XI and therefore other games like WoW or Everquest, in which you directly affect yoru character actions, and even build them from scratch.
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I knew I'd find it somewhere.
Video gmae RPG's are not RPG's they are called Pseudo-Rpg. What it means is that they took their original systems from true RPG games, tabletop, LARP ect. And incorperated it into a video game.
However since you have no control over the character's actions, it is a story, not an RPG. Thus it is a Pseudo-RPG. THe other reason why RPG was attached to them was to attract tabletop fans.
Thus Final Fantasy is not an RPG, except, strangely, FF XI and therefore other games like WoW or Everquest, in which you directly affect yoru character actions, and even build them from scratch. |
LMAO, they arnt rpgs, but they are Pseudo-RPGS...i think u make my argument for me
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So what about maplestory? You build your characters stats from scratch ("rolling" your beginning stats) choose what they look like down to their facial expression and hair. Then you choose a job, CHOOSE where you'd wanna go and train and fight, and make your own rep on the game (total ass ksing noobs, helper monkey, helping with quests, or friendly newb watcher)
Yes theres jobs (archer, warrior, mage, theif) with split paths (mage splits into cleric, fire, or ice) and uhh... idk, mind blank now.
NO WAY THAT'S NOT AN RPG!!!
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Fraid not.
It's the same as Rock and Indie Rock... they are completely different.
Basically it cannot be an RPG, because htere is no Roleplaying. LARPing is still and RPG, video gaming isn't, because you do not roleplay anything, what od you actually do.
Player 1: 'Tidus takes this action'
GM: Tidus fails, roll to save.
That doens't happen in an RPG, you have no control.
Or even better:
GM: X notices book on table, pass of perception skill.
Player 1: X reads book on table
GM: X finds out that Y is the traitor
In a video game:
X cannot leave room until he has read the book.
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You build your characters stats from scratch ("rolling" your beginning stats) choose what they look like down to their facial expression and hair. Then you choose a job, CHOOSE where you'd wanna go and train and fight, and make your own rep on the game (total ass ksing noobs, helper monkey, helping with quests, or friendly newb watcher)
Yes theres jobs (archer, warrior, mage, theif) with split paths (mage splits into cleric, fire, or ice) and uhh... idk, mind blank now.
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What about their preferred angle of attack, their backtstory causign trouble later on. personal idiosyncrasies. Or how about their accent, do you speak in it, or do they tlak the same. How variable is it to be them.
A role playing character is someone created with everything. You fill the role, you don't make them then follow a story. A good RPG changes depending on how the character reacts, plays ect. We have a good GM, and I tell you now, if you don't roleplay well you know it
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U r still taking the term wayyyy 2 literal. Jut because its not a tabletop game doesnt mean its not an rpg. The term itself is pretty broad and incompaces many different interpertations. FF and similar games are rpgs, mabye not in its original concept or format but they are still rpgs, even if they are relagated to the role of sub-genre. U said it yourself, pseudo RPG
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Well... now you've lost me, no i've never actually RP'd before, not really planning to... and anyway, most RPGs i play (MMORPGS) you can choose how your character reacts, if someone pisses you off, you swear at them and use an angry emote or something, you choose how your character develops (statwise, a-hole wise aswell) and there is no story, except get strong, kill stuff, do quests, meet people. Rinse and repeat.
P.S Slow the hell down, by the time i put my post in, titans posted, or you raxis, shit you guys post before i finish typing >_<
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Indie-Rock and rock are not the same
Pseudo-Rpg and Rpg are not the same.
I'm just taking it as it truely is. There is no RPG element in FF, it's a story, like reading a book. You do not construct the depth of what it is. There is no reward for playing a character right. All you do is number crunch, you don't say 'Oh Cloud would be cool with a fan', what you do instead is go, 'Ultima weapon'. it's the same every time, there is no progression.
And about controllign growth. You don't choose where they start, and in most FF's they learn most of their skills as they level.
FF is fun, but it's not an RPG
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Sicne these paly much mroe like a tabletop game, but still lack vital elements
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Well... now you've lost me, no i've never actually RP'd before, not really planning to... and anyway, most RPGs i play (MMORPGS) you can choose how your character reacts, if someone pisses you off, you swear at them and use an angry emote or something, you choose how your character develops (statwise, a-hole wise aswell) and there is no story, except get strong, kill stuff, do quests, meet people. Rinse and repeat.
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Mmorpgs are a sub-genre based around character building. Different to traditional rpgs
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you're right there. LARPing is the only other true form of RPG.
Live Action Roleplay. Where you become you character.
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AudatiousTitan
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Raxis...seriously...wtf
I have been playing rpgs my whole life, ff is an rpg lol, Rpgs arent JUST about controling the story. And are u serious? all rpgs let u control the characters growth trhough the allocation of skills or points. If ff isnt an rpg then u should sue, square enix, level 5 and all other rpg makers for false advertising...i doubt u would get far
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02-14-2009 04:04 |
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Raxis
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Registration Date: 12-12-2007
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I have been playing rpgs my whole life, ff is an rpg lol, Rpgs arent JUST about controling the story. And are u serious? all rpgs let u control the characters growth trhough the allocation of skills or points. If ff isnt an rpg then u should sue, square enix, level 5 and all other rpg makers for false advertising...i doubt u would get far
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Uh uh different laws about sueing.
I have RPGed since I was six, picked up my first DnD when I was ten, before that came WHFRP and Cops and Robbers.
Aud tell me, what is Role PLay? It certainly isn't controlling a premade character and simply sitting there doing nothing that acutally influences them or their story.
Role Play is becoming something that isn't yorself. Sittign on a console or PC yo uare sitll you. When you roleplay you're Kheldack the bard, or Dorian the Fallen knight. Or even Peter the Cop.... you are something that isn't you. That is the core of an RPG. That is why video games are nopt RPG's.
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02-14-2009 04:09 |
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AudatiousTitan
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Originally posted by Raxis
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I have been playing rpgs my whole life, ff is an rpg lol, Rpgs arent JUST about controling the story. And are u serious? all rpgs let u control the characters growth trhough the allocation of skills or points. If ff isnt an rpg then u should sue, square enix, level 5 and all other rpg makers for false advertising...i doubt u would get far
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Uh uh different laws about sueing.
I have RPGed since I was six, picked up my first DnD when I was ten, before that came WHFRP and Cops and Robbers.
Aud tell me, what is Role PLay? It certainly isn't controlling a premade character and simply sitting there doing nothing that acutally influences them or their story.
Role Play is becoming something that isn't yorself. Sittign on a console or PC yo uare sitll you. When you roleplay you're Kheldack the bard, or Dorian the Fallen knight. Or even Peter the Cop.... you are something that isn't you. That is the core of an RPG. That is why video games are nopt RPG's. |
Different laws? an rpg is an rps, if they are worng as u say they are u will be rich :p and as i said, u are takin the term TO LITERALLY. The phrase roleplaying can be added to basically anything in the right context. Playing from a premade character is necessary for the story that u keep goin on about. U really expect game devs to create a whole game inc cutscenes based on the thousand of variables that a character creation kit would entail? A protaganist is needed to create a proper story. U get to choose their skill path and in certain games story development. ff is an rpg
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02-14-2009 04:24 |
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Raxis
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| Playing from a premade character is necessary for the story that u keep goin on about. U really expect game devs to create a whole game inc cutscenes based on the thousand of variables that a character creation kit would entail? A protaganist is needed to create a proper story. U get to choose their skill path and in certain games story development. ff is an rpg |
Well then it's not an RPG. It's close but it cannot be an RPG until Virtual Reality works properly.
this part is quite funny, since it you've made no arguement to support it above.
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No, because the legal fees will strip anyhting I would make. It's been done a few times, and they have won the cases against the companies, just cannot afford to use the money cos they have to pay off the legal fees.
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| U really expect game devs to create a whole game inc cutscenes based on the thousand of variables that a character creation kit would entail? A protaganist is needed to create a proper story |
If they want to create a proper RPG then yes, that is what they are indeed working towards. A world of pretty much infinite possibility, where you CONTROL your character.
Control is not taking preset action, control is actualyl thinmking for yourself and deciding.
You don't come away from an FF game and forget your own name. Sometimes you get so into a role in a true RPG you forget yourself, it's happened to me a few times with kheldack the acrobat
you don't immerse yourself in your character. Also the fact is that you control several, you don't just control one, which is what roleplaying is
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