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Scyanide
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http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=ccc10afd6c
Now please someone explain me this ...
(151x0,35)+151=52,85 + 151 = 203,85
this is max what diablo should hit ... anyway he is hitting me ...
of course you all 1h guns will say that you need this to hit mobs etc ... and of course its true - diablo as the only one got a badge for basilk and cyborg ... however:
# diablo attacks with Legendary Good Scorpio (+5), Scyanide takes 167 damage.
# Scyanide attacks with Legendary Good Sniper rifle (+5), diablo takes 167 damage.
and i have 4 attacks and he has 16 !!!
on my question in PM diablo replayed me:
"You can do me a favour, instead of crying how much overpowered 1h guns are you
could start saying how underpowered 2h guns are. Thanks"
so i would like to have some opinions if its possible do decrease hit in 1h guns ... because its definitely overpowered or change something in 2h guns ... ? i dont know ... i would like to ask dodge bonus ... or maybe some others opinion ?
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diablo
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Didn't you get it?This is the whole message
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| Addressee: Scyanide Message title: Re: explain me this :-/ Send date: 2009-04-18 11:03:10 What is your point? If you can't beat me then get better, I don't care how, just get better and kill me. Once you do this I'll do my best to get better and kill you. If you can't think of any way how to get better than it is your problem, not mine. You can do me a favour, instead of crying how much overpowered 1h guns are you could start saying how underpowered 2h guns are. Thanks |
Honestly, whats your problem? Stop crying about 1h guns if you don't use them. If you would moarn about 2h guns that would be a different story...
I expect a warning for spam and closing of this nonsense (again).
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gazzer678
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i hant really got a problem with 1h guns, other then req r so low u can concentrate mainly on prec givin massive advantage,
but im a 2h gun user, and i do think something should b changed, its so hard to improve to b able 2hit most people, we should have some kinda advantage like the 1h gun users have,
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Oh come on. Not again. Is it so hard to understand that perception 203 will be able to hit perception 213? The difference is irrelevant.
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Scyanide
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no Mortis ... on this stage 200perc and more is very hard to find any point to increase perception ... and this 10 points means a lot at this stage !
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You are fighting AGAINST 1h guns and not FOR 2h guns. Thats your main problem.
I'm not running away from any problems, but you're making you problems mine...
If you want better 2h guns then suggest something, some kind of balanced improvement.
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... and this 10 points means a lot at this stage ! |
Looks like you don't understand the game system...
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Scyanide
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ok ... so i gave mine suggestion ... i want dodge bonus for legendary rifles ... that is mine proposition ! 35% dodge !
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| some kind of balanced improvement. |
You're hopeless...
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Scyanide
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why i am hopeless ? i think its fair ... with dodge 35% i will dodge your shots, and you still will be able to hit mobs ...
from mine point of view its fair ...
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You are hopeless and you seem to have ne idea about any kind of balance.
Is no mod online to close this? Or better, explain why 35% dodge is unbalanced, I'm running out of patience.
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Try to remember that 2h guns are the best option for most expo. You want to make 2h guns good weapon for everything. If 2h guns would get such a bonus then it would be not fair and not balanced.
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04-18-2009 11:47 |
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Scyanide
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if 2h guns will have bonus to dodge then 1h guns with they overpowered hit bonus wont hit so often when they shouldn't ... maybe i make it too generous 35% ... lets do it 20%
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04-18-2009 11:51 |
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diablo
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Did you consider the effect it would have against any other weapon types? We have melee here as well, plus 20% dodge will make snipers unbeatable. Literally.
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Originally posted by Scyanide
if 2h guns will have bonus to dodge then 1h guns with they overpowered hit bonus wont hit so often when they shouldn't ... maybe i make it too generous 35% ... lets do it 20% |
Ehm, same complains again.. I still don't understand why you think 1h guns should not hit 2h guns.
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Scyanide
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i am not saying they should not hit ...
i think its not fair ( balanced ) what we got now ...
213 perc vs 151 perc and i am losing ...
again - what for i should increase my perc if i am still losing ? even if i have more then he can hit with this HUGE hit bonus :-)
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I'd like to point out here that you're trying to beat an opponent 7 levels higher than you and I think this DOES make a difference here.
10 perception difference at this stage of the game is more or less irrelevant when trying to hit someone.
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realistically dodge isnt the answer... maybe an increase to critical damage on a sniper, instead of 200% maybe 300% or 350%
afterall Criticals hits on snipers should be alot higher - opinions peeps?
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04-18-2009 12:14 |
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Originally posted by Szeszej
I'd like to point out here that you're trying to beat an opponent 7 levels higher than you and I think this DOES make a difference here.
10 perception difference at this stage of the game is more or less irrelevant when trying to hit someone. |
what lvl it is is should make any difference. 1h guns bonus is too high ... as i said before what is the point of upgrade of equipment if i can be hit anyway ?
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realistically dodge isnt the answer... maybe an increase to critical damage on a sniper, instead of 200% maybe 300% or 350%
afterall Criticals hits on snipers should be alot higher - opinions peeps? |
it is one way ... because currently diablo and i got the same dmg, as i showed in first post ... however he has much more shots ... and with perc difference of 60 ( in nndungu case is more, because of +90 hit bonus from tattoo ) that will make no difference ...
currently we have no chance to fight against them, thats why before legendary weapons shows up they made a choice - lower perc, more attacks, we chose more perc less attacks ( in total dmg was similar ) currently they have the same dmg as we got, more attacks, and they are hitting much max perc what is possible to get currently on server ...
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Originally posted by Scyanide
... because currently diablo and i got the same dmg, as i showed in first post ... |
you wish!
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Ok but in case of chance of hit it should be an isue szeszej.
Ok i got 70 lvl with 202 agility so what you are saying is i should kill ppl with for example 210 agility.
Wrong i'm getting owned by them and this is only 8 agility difference so i don't quite understand even with increased chance to hit diablo hit Scy 13 from 16 times.
Just i'm looking this from perspective.
i know that with his 16 attacks he will hit Scy but 13 from 16 attacks it's more than f*** up legendary b******
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Say if I wanted to then attack you I miss 3 / 4 of my shots because dodge and because of legendary ranged -45% critical you do more damage now that messes me up so I should have to start rant for less critical reduction on leg. ranged...
It's not then balanced for others when you try to balance it for yourself.
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Oic, ok, if it is per hit then yes. Actually, your average damage per hit is higher than mine, but it should be.
Yes, there is no point in upgrading your equipment as I'm so overpowered that I don't need to hit
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=60dd31dc02
EDIT: Belfegor, Mortis counted my chance to hit Scyanide and it was something like 43 or 47% so I must have been more than lucky.
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Scyanide
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how can you compare 109 perc vs 210 and 151 vs 213
what is that proving ?
that i need 250 perception to dodge your shots ...
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Scyanide
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whatever ...
Szeszej i would like you to ask those above you if its possible to add dodge to legendary rifles !
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04-18-2009 12:49 |
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understnd from both points..
but as a 2 hander why dont we get a bonus to hit...
1 handers get the 20% damage and 25% to hit on both weapons and so many hits... yes we get the crit chance on sniper but only 3 hits
dnt make up to 12 they get..
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blackjack
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understnd from both points..
but as a 2 hander why dont we get a bonus to hit...
1 handers get the 20% damage and 25% to hit on both weapons and so many hits... yes we get the crit chance on sniper but only 3 hits
dnt make up to 12 they get..
srry and the little perc we get
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whatever ...
Szeszej i would like you to ask those above you if its possible to add dodge to legendary rifles ! |
Not dodge, but higher criticals. A high caliber Sniper wont fire as much as small arms, but should produce more damage on a critical hit
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blackjack
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Originally posted by Bezetta
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whatever ...
Szeszej i would like you to ask those above you if its possible to add dodge to legendary rifles ! |
Not dodge, but higher criticals. A high caliber Sniper wont fire as much as small arms, but should produce more damage on a critical hit |
lol, sniper gives enough crit... maybe not much as people would like..
but i think a chance to hit added to sniper would help more
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if you were to increase the criticals on 2h guns then they would be very overpowered compared to others. just as an example, if a sniper has 4 attacks, their normal damage being 150. critical damage would be 300. increase the critical hit damage to 3x and that becomes 450. the extra damage per round for a 4 shot sniper (all crits) would be 600. for a 6 shot sniper, 900. then someone would rant about that and so on and so forth.
im closing this thread as its the same comments which were being thrown around before. no warnings this time.
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