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yus i agree... i'm trying to get my red badge and i'm never gunna get it when its a HUGEEE monster.... i can kill the next ones up and do more damage to them but i can't do anything to a red :\ its pants coz i can't get any higher :|
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Agresiel
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it states on the tutourial that the lower the mob the BIGGER ther increase to thier stats now that makes me wonder why that is
here are all the reasons why the expo failed, and better reasons underneath why it SHOULDNT
1) one reason would be to stop big players coming along and farming them
oh wait thats what the optimum level is for as players get zero exp from them,huh,
why else could it be
2) to stop bigger players helping little ones get exp/badges
now hang on if wanna waste my expo for the day when i know ill get zero exp just to help out a lower clan member then why shouldnt i? isnt that why each zone has level caps anyway (wt=120) etc etc
3)its just a general algorythom that applys to all mobs but becasuse reds agi is so random it can cause them to be supersized
wooooo, hang on if thats the case SORT IT OUT create a seperate algorythom for the red coz at the end of the day im sure you guys designed each mob with a average player base who should be expected to kill it and im sure they couldnt be expected to have 230+agi
4)ur suposed to shoot a red dragon not melee it
for a start it had over 100 perception which is like saying to shoot a phenix people that level really dont have that much perception very often and if they did they certianly would do 6k damage
5)should be done before act two
this i agree on, however WHY (if its the case) dont we get told the dangers of it for our expos simply put this could prevent people from playing and possibly quit the game and thats not very good design
6)its just the rng and bad luck
no im sorry loseing in the final round with the mob on 22 hp thats bad luck a red dragon able to have higher agi then golds,medusas,sphinks that bad programing/game design
7)lots of act two players
well thats just a joke it shouldnt matter how many are in that are act two the red still should have a final cap to its agi/perception and it SHOULDNT be more than mobs that are higher in the chain otherwise when u accept more people what you actually doing is sealing your doom
8}your not suposed to win EVERY expo
no your not but thats why there are three mobs in each location to throw a spanner in the works and make you fail or at least alot harder but tbh in the red location id rather get a hydra than a supersized red of doom
if tried to think of as many points as possible and given reasons why those points are wrong, basicallly red dragons are wayyyy over powered atm and should be weakened or at least have a cap placed upon them so that they arent more powerfull than a monster double its postion in the expo table
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well they should really... i mean i know i'm wayyy far off doing a medusa and all them and i mean... just look at how much damage i can do on that expo its pants.... i don't have a sniper set up well the one i've got i can't get over 80 perc with it so i still wouldn't he able to hit the thing :\ .... they are monsters and they are like wayy wayy over sized .... they should be knocked down a bit .....
with those points you've just said agresiel are all true. well your points.... it shouldn't matter on all of them points.... and really.... unless you have searing blood and taking bigger players with who can actually kill things like a gold medusa etc on their own you don't actually have much change of getting it.....
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Very good points, i only just noticed this but now i have, blumin heck, how has anyone got a red drag medal
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Agresiel
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i got mine b4 act two, mellee is redundent with agi that high, guns are too unless your a gunner tatset up of some discription
someone who is predomantently melee CANNOT get a gunner set up cheap enough to overcome perception that high
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Agresiel strikes critically wit Light Thunderfist of Courage(G+3)Golem takes 2 damage.
Golem is slain on the battlefield.
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=18485014&key=8c7b39c98f
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Raxis
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someone who is predomantently melee CANNOT get a gunner set up cheap enough to overcome perception that high
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unless they are willing to pay for super expensive jewellery and waste stone they could use on their priamry set up.
i got mine in ACT II, but I got mine with legendary 1H guns using a high damage llower percep set up... even then I barely dealt damage, I just got lucky
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Originally posted by Agresiel
i got mine b4 act two, mellee is redundent with agi that high, guns are too unless your a gunner tatset up of some discription
someone who is predomantently melee CANNOT get a gunner set up cheap enough to overcome perception that high |
i'm not going to buy a completely new set up for an expo mod when it woouldn't do any god what so ever..... i had a bad time with a white and a black.... and they are really sort of easy.... so either way its pointless.... trying to beat a monster that big only proper high level players can do..... people would need to like change tattoos.... and have a COMPLETELY different set up to be able to kill them :|
as i said... i think the people that get them easiest are cultists because of their searing blood because they can hit with that every time :\
if people are saying its about being in act 2 so the monster are obviously gunna be bigger well thats pants... thats basically saying that people should just say in act 1 until they are over 200 agil or 150 odd perc.... :\ its silly :\ i can't get my head around how big they are
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Artoir.
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I'm sorry but.. look at all your levels?
One player was over level 70. What do you expect?
I agree that is a stupendously large red dragon, but its the first I've seen this big.
We dont really know how the mechanics of how Act II affects monsters, but its clear that there were 4 act II players there, so whatever it was was 4-fold.
You just got very unlucky.
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Raxis
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Artoir take a look at Incarceration's profile. She (UG) has not got his red dragon badge... which means the increase in stats is NOT applied for the person being level 70. That was indeed a stupidly high red draogn, but that was still a stnadard act II red dragon
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Originally posted by Agresiel
8}your not suposed to win EVERY expo
no your not but thats why there are three mobs in each location to throw a spanner in the works and make you fail or at least alot harder but tbh in the red location id rather get a hydra than a supersized red of doom |
look arty ... Agresiel has a really good point there.... they have the bigger mods in the area to threw the spanner in the works but that one is seriously taking the mick 
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im not act 2 smarty pants
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04-28-2009 01:34 |
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Agresiel
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100 perception is NOT crazy low
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Golem is slain on the battlefield.
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=18485014&key=8c7b39c98f
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Sorry, I don't really understand this thread 
. I always thought the whole point of mobs having such different stats (high agility, perception OR defence, or some combination of these) was that it tests every character to expand their strategies! No single setup is good enough for all situations. I mean what about ranged weapon users? All the rangers I know have alternative agility and perc setups, specifically for expos. I cannot get my head around why you guys don't have a gunner setup?
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someone who is predomantently melee CANNOT get a gunner set up cheap enough to overcome perception that high |
It wouldn't take that long to get a decent gunner setup together - how do you guys expect to deal with a golem that has over 300 defence?! You have to have ignores defence, either a sniper rifle or a heavy crossbow.
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unless they are willing to pay for super expensive jewellery and waste stone they could use on their priamry set up.
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Um... no? I don't have any expensive jewelery - until recently I was using a necklace of pilgrim, good bracelet of wisdom and a good ring of youth +1 (but only for the str bonus, as melee users I'm sure you guys don't have a problem with str). I currently use an even cheaper setup - neckerchief of genius +5, a good ring of wisdom and the good ring of youth +1. This allows me to equip a hunting rifle at good +5 or a sniper at good +1.
103 perception isn't THAT high... you could be hitting it with over 90 perc, and with an eye of cat giving you +8 that means you'd only need to reach 82 perception. There have been shedloads of shorts of shepherd on auction lately, a cap of precog or profit and a hunting rifle and you're sorted. Sure they aren't amazingly cheap, but they aren't THAT expensive either, but its not like you NEED a solar set.
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Agresiel
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nope your wrong
90 perception against a 100 would result in LOTS of misses i have seen many reports raxis has one where they are all snipers or using a legend\ary gun except one member that member has 87 perception and does something pathitic like 200 damage
PROVEING that unless u are a sniper tatto or are lucky enough to have a legendary weapons then u simply cant get 100 perception without spending STUPID amount of stones
the point of this topic is that red dragon is over powered as it is compared to monsters above it
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Agresiel strikes critically wit Light Thunderfist of Courage(G+3)Golem takes 2 damage.
Golem is slain on the battlefield.
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=18485014&key=8c7b39c98f
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Agresiel
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if the dragons perception is 80 then its agi would be close to 174 and a melle would hit and do more damage at 174 than a melee's sniper set up
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Agresiel strikes critically wit Light Thunderfist of Courage(G+3)Golem takes 2 damage.
Golem is slain on the battlefield.
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=18485014&key=8c7b39c98f
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04-28-2009 09:32 |
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Kalessin
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04-28-2009 10:28 |
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As kalessin has said all mobs are supposed to require different stratagies. You got really unlucky with t hat mob but i, like many others have been in expos where the mob has been crazy strong andhad higher stats than higher mobs. Its apart of the game. I wont be able to get my noble badge without changing equips so try with a moderate gunner gear.I had to use a bog standard melee gear to get my pheonix badge
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Kalessin
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Compare the damage of HorstHorstMann with the rest of us using ignores defence heavy xbows or snipers...
http://r1.bloodwars.net/showmsg.php?mid=...&key=3c64e5972b
I never really considered that there were people trying to beat every mob with their main agility outfits xD And I thought my badges were hard to win.
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Done know if this was mentioned before but ehm...why use melee against a RD? I only used melee against phoenix, hydra,sometimes a gold dragon (not anymore because my perception is high enough) and medusa atm...
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04-28-2009 12:00 |
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Well at the end of the day melee isnt suited to red dragons. Other people have to build other equips to beat mobs, why cant you?
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04-28-2009 12:09 |
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Artoir.
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UG you need maybe two SS.
Lets say you have base perception of 35.
Good Shorts of Shepherd (+3) CLOSE
Pants
Defence: -3
Effects: AGILITY +7, PERCEPTION +20, TOUGHNESS -6, defence -14, chance to hit with melee weapon -27
Requirements: LEVEL: 38, STRENGTH: 37
Get them for around a SS, or upgrade yourself.
So that's 55.
Good Cap of Precognition (+1) CLOSE
Helmet
Defence: 8
Effects: PERCEPTION +19, chance to hit with melee weapon -40
Requirements: LEVEL: 34, KNOWLEDGE: 9, STRENGTH: 26
Get around a MS
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Good Hunting rifle (+2) CLOSE
Two-handed gun
Damage: 31 - 41
Effects: PERCEPTION +12, attacks per round: 3, chance for critical hit +36 %, ignores 40 % of your opponent`s defence
Requirements: LEVEL: 39, STRENGTH: 30, AGILITY: 47, PERCEPTION: 42, INTELLIGENCE: 41, KNOWLEDGE: 43
few HS
86 perception
Eye of Cat: 8 perception
so thats 94 perception without any jewellery. Upgrade any of the items further and you'll have 100 perception easy.
If you want to keep waiting until you get enough agility, thats fine.
If you want to get your badge, get off your backside and invest a few stones
Also you can sell the items on when your done, so you're not losing anything.
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As K and Nate have both said, Think how it is for Ranged users to do expo's. You're bitching about not being able to hit 1 expo monster, christ, i struggle to hit them all except a golem 
I have all my badges upto and including the Golem now, but i've had to have 3 different set ups to do it. I have a half decent melee setup, half decent sniper setup and a damn good ranged setup.
My gunner setup doesn't comprise of any solar or hawks jewelery, so who ever said you need that is talking out their arse. I have a precog hat, shorts of shepherd, hunters jacket and a sniper rifle (hardly expensive)
You just need to either have patience and wait for a low red, or make a sniper setup like most ranged had to.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaargh this thread is annoying.
Ug3 what level are you?
What badges have you got?
Can you get xp from killing a phoenix?
If you want stones & points then kill the monsters you can kill. Get a poxy gun set up & kill the red...... or wait until you are higher enough stats to kill melee!
Either way, you will get the badge eventually - everyone does. Some people get it earlier than others, some people get lucky, some people just have good set ups. Some people have to wait until they are level 70 to get it.
But what ever it is, just stop moaning about it. If you wanna moan about the game - use the Screaming Room - that's what's there for.
This is such a redundant thread - someone close it please.
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Nayrlien
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Well if the only expo you struggle on is a red, then do the ones before hand and get stones from them.
Most of my points when i was low - medium level were from quests and ambushes, i didn't go on many expo's due to being ranged and not having a decent setup.
So i saved all my stones from leveling up and bought the things needed to use a sniper rifle.
It's only been in the last 3-4 months that i have started gaining most of my points from expos.
It's not gonna happen over night (unless you find good things on todays quests) it's just something you'll have to work at for the next few weeks unfortunately.
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04-28-2009 13:23 |
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honorus
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Im a ranged user and i've got 3 set ups - ranged for ambushes so i can sctually use the tats i've invested in, a pretty crappy melee set up and a pretty crap gunner set up.....
im not moaning that i dont have many badges so plz just stop whining and make a gunner set to exploit its weakness in its perception.
Its already been shown that its not that expensive and if you only need it for the one badge you could buy the equipment and sell it on quickly so you dont lose much in depreciating item values.
tl;dr
quit whining its a game just do what near enough everyone else has had to do and get a gunner expo set or keep trying with melee if your going to be stubborn but no need to baw about it since its your choice in the end....
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thats all well and good you saying ahh yeah get better equipment and you know sell it on .... look at the size of that red... seriously.... are you actually telling me a proper gun set up you wouldn't have trouble with that... coz that is a load of bull.....
Cthulhu my dear.... UG isn't saying that it should be done easy.... and with people who are melee ranged and whatever not a natural gunner are never gunna get their badges for the red dragon until they are able to actually kill a medusa .... its not that i don't want it to be hard because i know they aren't meant to be easy and it wouldn't be bloodwars if it waz easy..... but thats just taking the mick :\
arty.... why should i waste stones in getting a good gun set up and it be pointless :\ .... when i can upgrade my actual kit :\ ..... its stupid the mods are meant to go up in stages of hardness... not do the white, black, phoenix and then jump 4 mods a head for the next mod :| .....
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