Szeszej
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Are you in favour of implementing Caravan Deluxe as a premium option?
More info:
- costs 30 days of premium for 30 days of caravans.
- xp gained is down by 10%
- blood gained is down by 10%
- the drop will be identical with normal quests but the chance to pass the quests will be reduced by 5% no matter the type or the number of quests.
- arcana will be disabled.
- LGO cost identical to normal caravan.
The point of this is to give an option to people who for a period of time have less time for the game.
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Just for comparison:
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# for every zone and difficulty level there is 75% chance of finding one item per quest and 25% of finding none. It means that with 10 quests you may get 0 to 10 items,
# experience and blood gained on caravan is equal to 80% for 2 quests -5% for every subsequent quest to minimum of 50%, |
I voted yes, it might help some people.
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Szeszej
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It's meant to be this way so it is not overused
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it doesn't effect me, but i vote yes for it... If it helps people its gotta be good 
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voted yes, although I rarely use caravans on Underworld but do sometimes on Necro (although won`t be paying for the privellage)
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Szeszej
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ad 1 Nope, it only affects caravans
ad 2 same as with normal caravans
ad 3 Possible, but we have our ways of discovering such bots 
ad 4 anti-bot system will stay the same
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Woah hold on Sj,
Why not have this option, for 2x...3x or something LGO instead of paying money irl. Just a little thought for you to consider. |
Ok, think about the lower players who like to just quest and get off. Now think how much junk they got -.-
They could use enough money to fund this for most probably a year or more >_< I say keep it with prem (despite not caravaning, except maybe 3/4 when waiting for an expo to finish)
Anyway, if it did cost money to use this option, then it'd have to cost loads IMO
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No, not interesting for paying for it. If there won't be any restrictions then yes.
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Question 1:
As I understand it, this will give us the option to set auto caravans - if I did not want to log in & set one off, it will automatically be set off - is that right?
Question 2:
will there be an option for this to work whilst in holiday mode?
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A1: I don't think it will be automatic.
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Yes. Simply becasue I remember when this would have severely helped me. A good, useful idea for those who have little time at certtain points
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absorber can't use his arcane i wote on now
its waste for all absorbers because he don't have useful expedition ar=rcane, also all race get easy from lvl and now he can't use his arcane on this caravan i vote on no its unfair
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But CESARZ all arcana is disabled in all types of caravans
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Guys, its not that difficult. This is not 'automatic' caravaning while you're not online. It is a better caravan than the ordinary one (as I explained already). You still have to log in to start it. Where does it say the game will automatically do your quests?!
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- xp gained is down by 10%
- blood gained is down by 10%
- the drop will be identical with normal quests but the chance to pass the quests will be reduced by 5% no matter the type or the number of quests.
- arcana will be disabled.
- LGO cost identical to normal caravan.
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Nemazis
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Has anyone actually realised the point of this caravan? It's so you earn more exp/blood than a usual caravan.
Ok now i think about it, it's not much of a boost, maybe you should make it 10% LGO cheaper aswell or something... or maybe can use a small amount of arcana, needs abit more of a boost than that.
I still vote yes though.
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Originally posted by DemonDude2
The difference here being that the caravans now - LGo cost increases for every extra quest you do
- 75% chance of finding one item per quest and 25% of finding none
- Experience and blood gained on caravan is equal to 80% for 2 quests -5% for every subsequent quest to minimum of 50%
So basically they want you to pay so that - you get slightly more blood and exp than normal caravans, but still less than doing each quest individually.
- Drops are the same as normal quests, as opposed to getting worse for every extra quest you do
I cant see anyway i could have made that clearer
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Oh ok then, that clears up the "Drops will be identical with normal quests" bit, the rest i already understood.
So basically assuming you done all your quests in 1 caravan, you earn 60% exp in every quest instead of 50%, same for blood, and instead of ONLY finding stuff like "Shorts +1" and "Turd -4" you'll find prefixed/suffixed items at the same rate as before.
Will edit if numbers are wrong
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Originally posted by DemonDude2
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So basically assuming you done all your quests in 1 caravan, you earn 60% exp in every quest instead of 50%, same for blood
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Huh? How do you work out 60% a quest, Did it not say 10% less a quest? So instead of earning 100% experiance, you get 90% ... thats what i got from it anyway lol
Im still voting doesnt effect me, as i like to do them 1 at a time |
I'm assuming sjblah saying "goes down" was a typo, because if it wasn't, then it's REALLY not worth it. Doesn't affect me, but if it's 10% more exp, then yeah i vote yes, if it's 10% down then i wanna change my vote to no.
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Nemazis
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Originally posted by DemonDude2
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Originally posted by Nemazis
I'm assuming sjblah saying "goes down" was a typo, because if it wasn't, then it's REALLY not worth it. Doesn't affect me, but if it's 10% more exp, then yeah i vote yes, if it's 10% down then i wanna change my vote to no. |
Why is this bad? Right now its a bijillion times worse!! |
Is it? Looks like both are crappy if my assumption is right
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experience and blood gained on caravan is equal to 80% for 2 quests -5% for every subsequent quest to minimum of 50%, |
Right now if you do 24 quests on caravan you only get 50% exp!
With this premium option, you can do 24 quest caravans and only loose 10% on each quest, as opposed to 50% for each quest |
Ah... i thought it would stack on top of the standard 50%, if it's just 10% lost overall, then FLIP YEAH, stick it in (the pooper =P)
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DemonDude, you're right. The most essential part is the one regarding drops. For example in z1 you get 3 items (or less) on each quest. If you do a standard caravan you get one or no items. Thats the main difference, you can do caravans and still find as many items as if you woud do 1 by 1 quests.
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Ahh, right. I get it now - it was a typo. When people say percentages are going down, I am thinking chance of success is going down. If the chance of success "rate" is going down, thus the chance of success is actually going up, then I keep my vote at YES.
Phew, that was hard work - you can tell I have had a bad week at work! 
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I voted doesn't matter to me.
But i will say, i will try it and if i like it, i'll get it every other month.
Reason being i'm usually skint half of the year.
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Doesn't matter.
That don't apply on fighting and I do my quests 1 by 1 ^^
Have more items in caravan could be kool. But when I kaunch caravan, it's clearly not 30 days... 1 day... 2 maybe.... Those who launch caravan each day would not have premium, they don't care. I'm doing it on the UT1 french server with my old character
Expensive I think. Why don't think about Tokens. 30 days premium = 30 caravan delux (and a milkshake please...)
No matter time.
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No way, not paying for this. Not useful to me at all.
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I voted no, even if I probably would use it sometimes. But I don't see why we should pay for this,I think chances for people doing caravans should be the same, whether they pay or not.
Or you could implement this option as a bonus for the premium account, like some 10 "supercaravan" a month, just to make us spare some time, as nearly all active player end for having a premium. Notice that many people already need to pay a premium account because
a) other players do, if you don't do you will progress slowly
b) because of gameplay limitation without the premium (check siegeing players, clan operations, etc)
c) because of time limitations in real life. The game you created take us too much time just to do the quests...!
and not because they really need the double of attacks and quests.
So this option woud introduce another element of inegality andit would be unfair. I already pay the shortening options because many days I don't have enough time to play, but this is just a matter of time between attacks and quest, and does not affect the result of quests. Enough of this "YOU PAY MORE YOU ARE STRONGER"mechanism.
I think it's fine we pay a premium cause we like this game and you make it work... but if you would make our life easier you could give this service to everibody. Yes, we will "abuse" it when we don't have time. And where is the problem? Why are we required to spend hours everiday just to click DEPART?
This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by grind: 05-26-2009 02:57.
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