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BW 5-a-side spreadsheet
For those who are confused by the spreadsheet (on which I have amended a couple of dates) - here is a list of sieges:
Sunday 24/05/2009
Premier
DB sieges BB - result: DB win
BoS sieges BB - result: BB win
Championship
Muppets sieges BJ - result: Muppets win
Sexbox sieges BJ - result: Sexbox forfeit
League 1
TEF sieges WG - result: TEF win
Sunday 31/05/2009
Premier
BB sieges DB - Result: BB win
CoW sieges BB - Result: CoW forfeit
DB sieges BoS - Result: BoS forfeit
Championship
Sexbox sieges Muppets - Result: Sexbox forfeit
League 1
WG sieges TEF - Result: TEF win
Sunday 07/06/2009
Premier
BB sieges CoW - Result: Cow forfeit
Cow sieges DB - Result: Cow forfeit (Kenpachi - Red Card)
Championship
BJ sieges Muppets - Result: BJ win
Muppets sieges Sexbox
Sunday 14/06/2009
Premier
BB sieges BoS
BoS sieges DB
DB sieges CoW - Result: Cow forfeit
Championship
BJ sieges Sexbox
Sunday 21/06/2009
Premier
BoS sieges CoW - Result: Cow forfeit
CoW sieges BoS - Result: Cow forfeit
COMPETITION WINNERS:
League 1 - TEF
Hi all, myself and some equally minded players are going to start a 5-a-side siege competition, I will outline the basic rules in this thread, if you are interested in joining in, I will update the thread at a later date once all the teams have been decided on etc.
The Principles:
You form a 5 person clan (according to the categories listed below), you also agree in advance 3 substitutes. Then during an alloted time frame (ie agreed dates), you siege all of the other 5-a-side clans and gain points for various outcomes (also listed below).
The clan that gains the most points gets to brag about it... or maybe I'll find a nice picture of a gold cup, you can place on your home clan page! 
The idea is that this clan is not a permanent thing. The only things that must remain the same are the clan members, the substitues, and the clan name.
In the simplest terms - you form the clan for a day when you are due to siege another 5-a-side, do the siege, disband the clan & go back to your home clan, then re-form it when you have the next date in your siege schedule. This way, you can also change clan leaders for each siege if you want, etc.
Is that clear?
The Rules: (these are non-negotiable)
1) Each clan must consist of between 5 - 8 members (5 for the siege, and 3 substitutes). These members must be named in this thread, in advance of the competition, and once named, cannot be changed, or you are disqualified from the game.
2) Each clan will keep the same name for the whole competition.
3) Each siege is for resource only - no takeovers allowed. Before each siege, the clan to be sieged will nominate their target.
4) No tactical farming allowed within 1hr of phase 2. Any player reported of this behaviour will be served a Red Card, and that played will be banned from the next siege. The team will be allowed to use a substitute to enable them to compete with 5 players. Saved reports of farming must be posted on the thread (blank/deleted reports will not be considered valid).
5) Each clan must meet the following total member points categories to enter the competition (this total is for the 5 who are in the siege; substitutes must be respectively equal to the players they replace):
Premier Category: 2801 - 5000
Championship Category: 1501 - 2800
Category 1: 801 - 1500
Category 2: 501 - 800
Category 3: 201 - 500
Category 4: 0 - 200
**An element of movement in points is allowed from the start of the competition to the end - an upward buffer of 100 points.
6) Clans not fitting the points category when entering into a siege will forfeit the siege and the opposing clan will declared the winner. Clans can have all 8 of their members in the clan at the time of the siege, but only 5 members can join the siege.
7) Repeat offenders to rules 3, 4, & 6 will be banned from the competition.
8 ) The competition will be judged on points only - this is not a knock-out competition.
The points work like this:
3 points for a win.
2 points for a draw.
1 point for a loss.
In case of a draw at the end of the competition, the team who gained the PoH from the most amount of sieges will be declared the winner - i.e. if team A gains PoH from a siege they are awarded 1 PoH point, in event of a competition tie, team A would win because of that additional point.
9) No personal issues, arguments, grudges, moaning, whinging, stupid antics will be tolerated. This competition is purely for fun - if you don't know how to have fun, or can't accept the fact that you lost to a better clan, then please do not enter - because I will just ban you anyway! 
10) All players entering into the competition agree to abide by the outlined rules, or accept the consequences (and the complete and utter roasting they will get in this thread!!).
Finally, the logistics: (these are currently negotiable)
The competition will be 4 weeks long - but this may depend upon how many clans are interested in entering? I am happy to draw up a siege schedule, but I will have to take into consideration how many clans there are, and how regluarly they play, etc.
Plus, I don't want any crap from anyone - I am doing this in my own free time, because I enjoy this game & I know some people are a bit bored - so if I am slow in responding to messages, then just be patient!
Start date can be agreed once we get some contenders; but once the competition has started, no further clans can enter - they will have to wait until the next competition!
Ok, I think that's it.... is anybody interested?
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If you want to enter a team, please post:
Names of 5 - 8 clan members
Category you fall into
Name of clan
PoH can only be achieved after 24hrs of being in a clan, so if you want poh - you will have to form your clan in advance of your siege.
TEAMS SO FAR
Category: Premier (2801 – 5000)
Ball-Breakers (B.B)
NateDogg
Nayrlien
Kobruk
Owiec
V13_eVe_BrO_Of_STe_e (Total: 4299)
Subs:
Laaska
Igor
Marmaladegirl
DaBest (DB)
Kenpachi (1095)
Scynaide (1143)
Flashblade (670)
Hayz_Moonlight (190)
T3h D0z0rz (522) (Total: 3620)
Sub:
Tiger_claw (1747)
Zahkir
Clan of War (CoW)
Cthulhu (552)
Bezetta (1500)
Daarth (644)
Apollo (269)
Zer (215) (Total: 3180)
Subs:
Zenfalcon (528 )
Kalessin (532)
Impetus (522)
Brothers of Steel
[B.o.S]
Speed-Legend (996)
M i K e L (1228 )
Beatrice (394)
Gumis (711)
Maze (456) (total: 3785)
Subs:
Category: Championship (1501 - 2800)
BLoody Jam (BJ)
Hamstergod (704)
Rolikhus (700)
Birdy (397)
Talounet (239)
Bootsybaby (531)
Subs:
Cardatiant (184)
NouveauNosferatu (672)
Ploper (172)
The Muppets (Mup)
Floydster
Cazzac
Faquarl
Evildead
Chopski
Subs:
Nosforano
Scrapps
Valdmere
SeXbox (SeXbox)
Deathjam (243)
bensux (158 )
bighead (357)
Raziel666 (340)
Bebbsy (494)
Subs:
Category: League 1 (801 - 1500)
Wiseguys (WG)
Kherat (396)
Lako (390)
Rekinek (166)
Stoned (137)
Guferrr (89)
Subs:
TotalEpicFail (TEF)
Swiftdeath
Nemoralis
Demandred
Cursecaster
Evilooter (Total: 1499)
Subs:
PhuctiphinO
TheDestroyer
Bodkin
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honorus
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i want in on this fun too
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Cthulhu
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Thats the point - it can be any 5 people from any clan - it is just a temporary joining of forces to win a competition. 
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Also - some techincal thoughts already - people may go up enough points over a 4 week period to move them into the next category.... hmm, maybe need to include a bit of give & take for this - shouldn't think it will make a huge difference?
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im replying without having read the whole topic so i appoligse if this has already been said.
Anyway to cover this point, I would say if your clan falls into a category for the start of 1st siege, they belong in that category for the rest of the 4 weeks, because well as you say people can advance daily and it can be enough to push someone into a new category. the only problem i can see of here, is when your in category 4 and you go over 1500 points what happens then?
also its very unlikely that only 1 clan from each category would progress. Especially if you have 3-8 players who daily progress 5000 POP
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is just the 5 members that r in the seige that have to make up the points or all 8? |
I would say the 5 who are taking part in the siege - but the subs must be of equal points, etc.
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the only problem i can see of here, is when your in category 4 and you go over 1500 points what happens then? |
Maybe we start a "Super-league"
- good point though, maybe the upper limit of that category could be higher; we could include a 50 point buffer zone?
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I think just a bit of fine tuning on the categories would work well enough.
something like the following might work (this is example only, i'm not trying to take over the idea), but to be honest your not really going to know if the categories are ok until at least one league has been ran.
Premier Category: 3001 - 5000
Championship Category: 2001 - 3000
Category 1: 1001 - 2000
Category 2: 501 - 1000
Category 3: 0 - 500
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Also on a seperate not i had an idea on individual players who can't follow rules, for example 5 man team, 4 people follow rules, and 1 of them decides to pound on the opponents to force a tactical win on his side, the other 4 could not be aware of this and banning the clan would maybe seen as a pain, how about red carding the player, so they are banned from the next siege? You could count the banning as part of the same game, so red card means your off and you have to play the siege with 4 people.
Obviously there are lots of things you could inject into this league idea to improve on it later.
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Cthulhu
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Hehe - I like the red card idea! - I will add that to the rules later.
But I still think the clan should forfeit the win - I mean, being part a clan means you are meant to follow the rules of the leader, and if he can't keep his players in check then it reflects bad on the whole clan - don't you think?
Re: the categories - I see where you are coming from, but maybe that makes them a little broad? 0-500 is a big ask - you have a 5 x 40 pointers in there against 5 x 100 pointers, they probably won't stand a chance??
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Hehe - I like the red card idea! - I will add that to the rules later.
But I still think the clan should forfeit the win - I mean, being part a clan means you are meant to follow the rules of the leader, and if he can't keep his players in check then it reflects bad on the whole clan - don't you think? |
In theory yes, but you can't say it wouldn't happen so i think it would be unfair to give the win to the opponents on the basis of 1 player, and as you said it could contain 5 people from all mannere of clans. Not saying this would happen, but whats stopping the friend of the leading 5 man clan getting someone to join other clan to make then loose every match by disobeying rules. etc
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Re: the categories - I see where you are coming from, but maybe that makes them a little broad? 0-500 is a big ask - you have a 5 x 40 pointers in there against 5 x 100 pointers, they probably won't stand a chance?? |
yea, totally, which is why i said 'Example' lol, but i guess add a few extra categories. maybe more combining your lower leagues with a more high leagues. as an example lol:
Premier Category: 2801 - 5000
Championship Category: 1501 - 2800
Category 1: 801 - 1500
Category 2: 501 - 800
Category 3: 201 - 500
Category 4 - 0 to 200
its certainly very very tweak-able, but as i mentioned before i think once you've done one league you'll find what worked well and what didn't etc, etc
Keep up the good ideas, though
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Same here C. great idea hope I get in your team if not then
I'll create my own
either way I wanna be a part of this
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whats to stop 1 large player joining with tiny players?
that could make a fairly low cat team, where one person was always untouchable |
don't give out your tactics, lol
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I like the red card idea rather than losing the points they do the next seige with only 4 people so that would make it harder for them to win the next seige. or if the winning team gets a red card the points are then split between both teams and the red card team does next seige with 4 people.
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how about an ultimatum like the team can choose to pay X ammount of points to resind the red card or they can suck it up and play with 1 less player and risk missing out on points
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pleb so long as your 5 people dont exceed the total point cap for the category you wish to enter any combination of points is possible be it 5x100 point players or 1x496 point player + 4x1 point players
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LoL - good response so far - hopefully some of the other clans will start get interested? Anyone from DB wanna throw in a team - Bezetta, you're profile says you want something to spark more interest in the game....
Or BoS, you're looking for new recruits at the moment aren't you? This could be a good way to find some people from other clans & see how good they play?
BCR - Xyr & Belfegor - you guys have got two clans - mix & match a team?
Dark, Coven, Clockers, End, or HLL & AAA - ooh how about a combined French team!
Come on, there must be lots of people in small clans you would like to team up with some of the bigger players from other clans & have some fun - thats the joy of this idea - you don't have to be in the same clan already - just pcik someone from the rankings & ask them if they are interested! 
Also - included the red card rule, because it is such a good one.
@Nate, I think you're right, we need to trial the categories, then we will see how it stands up, and tweek it after the first competition. It may be that it doesn't work at all, and we have to have a complete re-think... that part of the structure is definitely the weakest part. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Well if we enters I am not sure if we fit even into your premier category
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You will if you split up, and thats the whole point. There would be no point, having Diablo, Tiger, Bazetta, Nate and Vlade in a clan as they would just Destroy the opposition. None of the Big boys have reached 5000 points yet
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Im defo up for this, good stuff Cthulhu
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@Nate, I think you're right, we need to trial the categories, then we will see how it stands up, and tweek it after the first competition. It may be that it doesn't work at all, and we have to have a complete re-think... that part of the structure is definitely the weakest part. Thanks for the suggestion.
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as a quick follow up, maybe if you set some king of deadline to let people get teams in order, and when people say what league they are going for you can then do a re-shuffle, what i mean is if you have no-one in league 4 and 3, whats the point in having them, ditch them and make league 2 start from zero.
anyway i've interfered enough i think lmao. i go before you tell me to bleep-off
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Could have a 'World Cup' Feature too. A knock-out tournament.
People organise teams to represent countries, with a point cap limit and each person has to be from that country.
Granted it might only be 'quarter-finals' as there are limited countries represented in Underworld, but would be interesting.
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Hmm, i don't really see the point in bring nationality into this. My BW friends are polish, english and whatever country it is Diablo and Mortis are from
Actually i think representing my country, Denmark, would be a problem 
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Well if we enters I am not sure if we fit even into your premier category
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You will if you split up, and thats the whole point. There would be no point, having Diablo, Tiger, Bazetta, Nate and Vlade in a clan as they would just Destroy the opposition. None of the Big boys have reached 5000 points yet
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Hey! you forgot Blodsugare and me, now i feel offended. And hurt
Anyway this suggestion sounds really fun. I would participate, even if it meant i would loose some honour. |
lol he/she jus didnt want to state the obvious
and by the way does the 5-8 player have to be from the original clan?
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Hmm, i don't really see the point in bring nationality into this. My BW friends are polish, english and whatever country it is Diablo and Mortis are from
Actually i think representing my country, Denmark, would be a problem
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Nothing like a bit of friendly patriotism to liven things up ;-)
And yeah, like i said, there wouldnt be many countries represented so it'd be a small knockout tournament, just a thought.
Loving the league idea btw Cthulhu
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I feel hurt. It's Slovakia dooz, you should remember after 2 years of playing with us
btw red carded ones could be replaced by 1 of the substitute
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Red card is punishment for the player breaking the rules, if it's only his/her fault why to punish whole team?
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Red card is punishment for the player breaking the rules, if it's only his/her fault why to punish whole team? |
I think it works the same as in football Mortis. If a player is Red Carded, the team is down to 10 men.
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yeah i agree if u get a red card the hole team should be punished. u play as a team win as a team lose as a team and get punished as a team. its down to the team to make sure the team plays by the rules
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Red card is punishment for the player breaking the rules, if it's only his/her fault why to punish whole team? |
I think it works the same as in football Mortis. If a player is Red Carded, the team is down to 10 men. |
Yep - that's the way I understood it from what NateD wrote - and that's what I think would work well. I know the whole team may not be to blame, but that's the point of the penalty - if someone acts like a dick & breaks the rules, the whole team takes the punishment - besides, its only for one siege - then they go back to 5 players.
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and by the way does the 5-8 player have to be from the original clan? |
No - as I said earlier - the point of this is to help get people away from just sticking to their regular clans.
EXAMPLE - I start a team; I choose - me (Source), Nayrlien (V13), Anubis (DB), Belfegor (BCR), Gumis (BoS), & SilverTitch (Clockers) (+3 subs). We all get together in a clan called "Example Clan", for 2 days do a siege or maybe 2, then go back to our home clans until the next wekk, when we do the same thing. The only thing that stays the same each week is our team, and the clan name........ its kind of like a Sunday league football team!
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LoL - dude, the days of telling you to "bleep-off" are well gone - your suggestion so far has been the most influential.
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Could have a 'World Cup' Feature too. A knock-out tournament. |
LoL - one thing at a time - we haven't even got a 5-a-side league off the ground yet!
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I'd love to try this, i wonder if Ringham will join me, this is 4 Underworld right, i to retarded to know, plz tell
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Underworld=Foxy,1h gunner and proud member of Clockers
Necropolis=Foxy, Proud member of S.O.T
4th account and some warnings i had i still don't understand, o and can any mod tell me y Foxy was banned plz
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