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NouveauNosferatu
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Originally posted by Raziel666
I've voted no
for the simple reason that Cultists and Absorbers get an unfair advantage when accumalating damage due to their 3rd arcana |
So the third attack for beastlords doesnt give them an advantage in accumulating damage?
Or the extra HP TC's gain in sieges and expeditions, meaning they can last longer and get more hits in?
Or the Breath of Death cursed ones get (increases damage when HP is below 35%)?
Maybe it's not as 'simple' as you say.
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06-12-2009 20:12 |
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Raxis
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Yes.
Before ACT II beastmasters had Strength which boosted their damage, I don't see how this is differnt especially when 4/5 races have an arcana that WILL boost damage
Also the arcana is the same as tattoos, since they all have different strengths and weaknesses which will influence them and their records, so i see arcana as no different
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06-14-2009 01:30 |
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I think the whole point of this argument, was that it was started without much thought.
Originally, people saw SB as something which could be easily omitted to give 'true' weapon damage for records.
But, after seeing how TCs and absorbers' arcana subtley affects damage, we may as well include all arcana for records.
Despite peoples opinions on whether or not searing blood is more advantageous.
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06-14-2009 01:40 |
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RinghamEnderol
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As Cesarz in particular has already stated, this argument is not necessarily on how overpowered (OP) SB is but how u can logically classify it as WEAPON DAMAGE!!! because the record is Titled in such as way tht only weapon dmg can be counted.
I see that the mose easy way to end this conflict is merely change the title of the record
e.g.
Most dmg done in 1 round (inc. arcana)
Ranged....
1 guns...
etc
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06-14-2009 04:10 |
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diablo
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The record name is Most damage done in one round: so I don't see it as a problem. You don't have to classify it as weapon damage, but just damage. If it was classified as weapon damage then I'd claim record for most damage done in one hit with 1h guns 540 
sidenote: the 540 is in expo, so don't use this number as an example please
Records for 2h guns, 1h melee, 2h melee and ranged were all done WITH arcana. My 1h guns damage per round is without and people still seem to have problem with SB 
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06-14-2009 11:16 |
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RinghamEnderol
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it is classified as weapon dmg tho Diablo...
Most dmg in one round:
RANGED
1H GUNS....
wot do u think these are? rainbows and wishes?
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06-14-2009 13:23 |
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diablo
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The damage was done in one round where the player used the specified weapons. Additional damage was done by arcana.
You as an absorber gunman should know that the record for damage with 1h guns won't be done by searing blood. Power of blood will allow you to do much more damage.
same with 2h guns and cursed ones. 1h and 2h melee will be dominated by Beastmasters. So as long as the max HP in defense will not include regenerated HP from cultists arcana there will be NONE done by a cultist just because of searing blood.
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06-14-2009 13:34 |
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Foxy4
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That means wat weapon they are using i think Ends and that only means they need to use that sort of weps, with extras
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06-14-2009 13:34 |
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Raxis
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The point is all other arcana cannot really be seperated from the records, ut searing blood is an element to itself... however the other arcanas all affect how much damage a weapon can do, so why shouldn't searing blood be included?
As I said above it's the same with tattoos... in theory a monk could probably deal the most damage with a 1H weapon since they have 2 damage per four levels as an ability... so why should the arcana be seen any differently. Each one has its strength and weaknesses
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06-14-2009 15:51 |
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Artoir.
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Originally posted by RinghamEnderol
it is classified as weapon dmg tho Diablo...
Most dmg in one round:
RANGED
1H GUNS....
wot do u think these are? rainbows and wishes? |
Thats based purely on how you interpret it.
I see it that if Diablo uses 1-h guns and searing blood*, then he still qualifies for the record because yes he used his arcana, but he also used 1-h guns.
I think there's still some sort of stigma surrounding searing blood and it's showing its ugly face here..
*example
EDIT
POLL CLOSES IN 10 MINUTES
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06-14-2009 18:59 |
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Artoir.
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Poll is now closed, 3 days after it was started as stated by Popeye in the first post.
RESULTS:
Poll: Should arcana be allowed when setting records
Out of 47 members;
30 members (63.83%) voted: Yes. All arcana
17 members voted (36.17%): No. No arcana
CONCLUSION:
Records stay as they are. ALL arcanas will be included when counting records, including Searing Blood.
Those of you who are not happy, I'm afraid nothing more can be done. The poll was open for 3 days (and ten minutes) and you had your chance to make your views known and counted.
Thankyou
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