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gangster have two advantages over gunman:
Dodge and being able to have nice defense. Equipping solar takes away one of those advantages, if you want nice solar set and guns, make gunman instead. |
Defense is just an option. Why not use solar as a gangster? Just like gunman gangster can have 20 attacks with solar jewellery(10 from g+5 scorpios, 4 from g+5 armor of speed, 4 from p+1 solar set, 2 from deadly set g+5), on a siege that would mean it's 20 attacks from gangster + 25% dodge vs. 20 attacks from gunman + 25% critical(which sucks in 1h guns).
In a duel between these tats it's: 20 gangster attacks vs 16.875 gunman attacks(quarter of those 20 attacks is dodged, so 15 is left, we'll multiply it by 1.125[1h gun criticals multiply damage by 1.5, so it's half the value of the critical chance bonus from the gunman tatoo]).
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Defense is just an option. Why not use solar as a gangster? Just like gunman gangster can have 20 attacks with solar jewellery(10 from g+5 scorpios, 4 from g+5 armor of speed, 4 from p+1 solar set, 2 from deadly set g+5), on a siege that would mean it's 20 attacks from gangster + 25% dodge vs. 20 attacks from gunman + 25% critical(which sucks in 1h guns).
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0% crit vs 85% crit
You couldn't get + crit due to the speeds - high dmg with 1.5x dmg crit still can mean 100dmg extra
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Originally posted by Foxy
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Defense is just an option. Why not use solar as a gangster? Just like gunman gangster can have 20 attacks with solar jewellery(10 from g+5 scorpios, 4 from g+5 armor of speed, 4 from p+1 solar set, 2 from deadly set g+5), on a siege that would mean it's 20 attacks from gangster + 25% dodge vs. 20 attacks from gunman + 25% critical(which sucks in 1h guns).
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0% crit vs 85% crit
You couldn't get + crit due to the speeds - high dmg with 1.5x dmg crit still can mean 100dmg extra |
True, but at the same time it's:
- absorbers power of blood vs thoughtcatchers majesty
- elvish cape vs deadly set(bonus base damage and 2 attacks)
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Originally posted by smierc
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Originally posted by Foxy
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Defense is just an option. Why not use solar as a gangster? Just like gunman gangster can have 20 attacks with solar jewellery(10 from g+5 scorpios, 4 from g+5 armor of speed, 4 from p+1 solar set, 2 from deadly set g+5), on a siege that would mean it's 20 attacks from gangster + 25% dodge vs. 20 attacks from gunman + 25% critical(which sucks in 1h guns).
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0% crit vs 85% crit
You couldn't get + crit due to the speeds - high dmg with 1.5x dmg crit still can mean 100dmg extra |
the point of the tatoo is *not for crit though, it's survivability, so a lack of crit is your better option for the gangster, shoot at it and hurt it without relying on crits. |
Surelly then if its survival don't use solar? If you do your basically like a gunman with some dodge
Dung showed amazing set up
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Surelly then if its survival don't use solar? If you do your basically like a gunman with some dodge
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Trust me, majesty + 25% dodge + 30 defence from tatoo is enough to have significant survivability
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It's a very good(but expensive) option for tank setup. If you get:
headwear of turtle shell/deadly headwear of punishment(if you're using scorpios)
field vest of fencer/master
G+1 compound shorts/P+1 kilt
2x leg uzi/beretta/scorpio
with this 1h melee fighters, and most BKs won't stand a chance against you.
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Originally posted by Firetrap
Would a Titanium set of Wisdom be any good? Nice defence boost and wouldnt the wisdom give a nice damage boost? |
My old gangster set up was titanium of wisdom based as wisdom gives knowledge which gives dmg and titanium gives strength so i can use things as gunners lack strength for items unless you have an epic amount of easyness
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3 points of wisdom = 1 point of damage per hit
, so full G+0 jewellery of wisdom would give you +11 damage, which is very good.
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Whats the knowledge to damage ratio?|I did look but my hungover eyes are struggling to stay open let alone look for words on a screen
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3 Knowledge = 1 Damage for guns.
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knowledge to damage ratio is 1/3, add legendary gun damage bonus and it becomes 0,4333 damage per point of knowledge.
Perfect Titanium Tie of the Pilgrim
Amulet (Only for males)
Effects: CHARISMA +29, REPUTATION +3, APPEARANCE +10, STRENGTH +20, TOUGHNESS +21, KNOWLEDGE +23, STRENGTH +11, TOUGHNESS +31
Requirements: LEVEL: 84 (126), STRENGTH: 22 (32), APPEARANCE: 84 (126), CHARISMA: 31 (46)
Value: 42 800 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1195, Mana 4092
Perfect Titanium Bracelet of Wisdom (+1)
Ring
Effects: CHARISMA +33, REPUTATION -3, STRENGTH +11, character defence +23, KNOWLEDGE +17
Requirements: LEVEL: 69 (104), STRENGTH: 22 (33), APPEARANCE: 75 (113)
Value: 30 900 Lgo
Value: Nanites 835, Mana 3081
Perfect Titanium Ring of Wisdom (+1)
Ring
Effects: APPEARANCE +8, STRENGTH +11, CHARISMA +17, character defence +23, KNOWLEDGE +17
Requirements: LEVEL: 65 (9
, APPEARANCE: 69 (104)
Value: 29 400 Lgo
Value: Nanites 834, Mana 2805
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Knowledge : 57 ~ 19 damage (24,7 with leg bonus)
Defense : 46 + 52 toughness = 98
In my oppinion very nice for dealing with low perception mobs and players
I realize the requirements for the tie might be a problem to some players
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Originally posted by dooz
twisted bonus on p+1:
maximum damage of all weapons +30, PERCEPTION +22, AGILITY -9, dodge ranged +24, dodge melee +24, dodge +24 %
hawk's on g+2 to p+1:
1 damage 4 levels so above level 76 hawk's will give more damage than the titanium i showed. but then 98 defense, makes you take much less damage, than the 6% dodge from hawk's
Ideally i think a gangster should have hawk's set to deal with high perception, and a titanium set to deal with melee and some expos |
What sort of mobs? Golem? Noble? Hawks is looking so nice, im gonna give twisted, hawk and tit of wisdom a shot
Gotta have it all lol
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Deadly Hard hat (+4) got of precog for better perc
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Ring of the Genius (+4)
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Trousers of the Shepherd (+4)
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Beretta (+5)
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yea, well, i see collector as a stronger tattoo than gangster, but gangster is probably more suited for you level. Once you have strong setup with high defense values as gangster you may find it difficult to upgrade them higher withing your tattoos limits, then maybe change to collector.
Also as thoughtcatcher, you could become strong with a shuriken, majesty damage bonus on ranged weapon is beautifull. and majesty health bonus + collector healthbonus = many hp
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They both suck unless the Uzi is at P+1.. but then the dmg isnt as high as some other guns,
Id go for P+1 uzi / scorpios.
Scorpios are harder to get a hold of and the dmg difference would make the difference
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If you're character is wealthy(but since you've been a bit ripped of you're not :/) you should get 2x g+5 legendary beretta/uzi, when you can use legendary good scorpios without any troubles you should switch to them, and sell your previous weapons, it would be a waste to merge g+5 guns.
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You are doing it all wrong.. lol
Gangster is a good defence tattoo.. you have 3 defence with 0 toughness o.O look at the tattoo you can have 120MAX for armour and 50MAX for head and 50MAX for pants.
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I think you should use specialized setups for different situations. Get:
- hunters armor for expos,
- ring of strength, when you'll merge ring of concentration you won't need genius anymore, with this you can upgrade your headwear
- good uzi/beretta
- some armors with good defence and damage bonuses for attacking melee players.
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Originally posted by Firetrap
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I think you should use specialized setups for different situations. Get:
- hunters armor for expos,
- ring of strength, when you'll merge ring of concentration you won't need genius anymore, with this you can upgrade your headwear
- good uzi/beretta
- some armors with good defence and damage bonuses for attacking melee players. |
In a nutshell, yeah
Fell asleep the other day and missed out on a hunters vest
i do sleep everyday so when i say the other day i dont mean sleeping is a special occasion for me
Im not gonna waste stones on good weapons untill leg, if i can get a good beretta for 1 maybe 2 bs then yeah but any more than that its a waste
As for special sets i totally agree, im gonna work on an anti gunner set up for defence
Bulletproof helmet/mask of shepherd
Bulletproof vest of xxxx Addict?
Bulletproof pants of xxxx somet or other? |
Nah addict sucks.. -strength? pfft you already lack strength being a gunner and alot of the items your going to want to use will require quite a bit of it.
Unless you hav a titanium of authority set for defence as titanium gives strength to counter balance it
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Originally posted by FlashAOD
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Originally posted by Firetrap
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Originally posted by Undivisible
I think you should use specialized setups for different situations. Get:
- hunters armor for expos,
- ring of strength, when you'll merge ring of concentration you won't need genius anymore, with this you can upgrade your headwear
- good uzi/beretta
- some armors with good defence and damage bonuses for attacking melee players. |
In a nutshell, yeah
Fell asleep the other day and missed out on a hunters vest
i do sleep everyday so when i say the other day i dont mean sleeping is a special occasion for me
Im not gonna waste stones on good weapons untill leg, if i can get a good beretta for 1 maybe 2 bs then yeah but any more than that its a waste
As for special sets i totally agree, im gonna work on an anti gunner set up for defence
Bulletproof helmet/mask of shepherd
Bulletproof vest of xxxx Addict?
Bulletproof pants of xxxx somet or other? |
Nah addict sucks.. -strength? pfft you already lack strength being a gunner and alot of the items your going to want to use will require quite a bit of it.
Unless you hav a titanium of authority set for defence as titanium gives strength to counter balance it |
How can you say addict sucks? It will have the desired effect, Toughness will beat down the gunners damage, cant think of any other suffix that would give the same amount of toughness. Titanium of Auth would be for defence against melee, again as Atomos said, special sets for different things
Bullet-proof Cape of the Addict (+5)
Armour
Defence: 2
Effects: REPUTATION +10, AGILITY +2, TOUGHNESS +44, STRENGTH -11, APPEARANCE -10, INTELLIGENCE -11
Requirements: LEVEL: 59, STRENGTH: 61, AGILITY: 20
Value: 51 300 Lgo
Value: Nanites 202, Mana 712
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As for special sets i totally agree, im gonna work on an anti gunner set up for defence
Bulletproof helmet/mask of shepherd
Bulletproof vest of xxxx Addict?
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Anti gunners setup should have as much perception+charisma/reputation as possible
, you'll have dodge from tatoo, so bulletproof won't give you so much benefits, and perception will help you in hitting and evading shots, which is more useful, or rather necessary if you want to compete with good gunners. Charisma/reputation will give you extra hp, and rep will also raise your chances for succesful ambush.
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Anti gunners setup should have as much perception+charisma/reputation as possible
, you'll have dodge from tatoo, so bulletproof won't give you so much benefits, and perception will help you in hitting and evading shots, which is more useful, or rather necessary if you want to compete with good gunners. Charisma/reputation will give you extra hp, and rep will also raise your chances for succesful ambush. |
Reputation? Im on about defence, Charisma? Im thoughtcatcher so will use majesty and dont need to evade shots if they dont do much damage, im planning on outliving them
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Did you totally miss the line after i said it sucked lol, you'll see the reason there.
you really need to think about other stats aswell. Its all good saying something like i want the following
Perfect Deadly Bandanna of Precognition +1
Perfect Hawks Ring of Bat
bla bla bla, but think.. your never going to be able to use the strength for that.. youl never get the appearence to use the hawks.. just something to think of
I know you havnt said you want them but im using those items as an example
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Oh, so you actually plan to make a bunker xD, no problem then. Just remember that majesty can be absorbed, and toughness can be easily penetrated by 2h guns
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Bullet-proof Cape of the Addict (+5)
Armour
Defence: 2
Effects: REPUTATION +10, AGILITY +2, TOUGHNESS +44, STRENGTH -11, APPEARANCE -10, INTELLIGENCE -11
Requirements: LEVEL: 59, STRENGTH: 61, AGILITY: 20
Value: 51 300 Lgo
Value: Nanites 202, Mana 712 |
remember to get enough:
- strength to wear all these armors(if this cape requires 61, and reduces it by 11, you'll need to have 72 before equiping it),
- apperance to wear jewellery(titanium doesn't give you any extra).
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Originally posted by Undivisible
Oh, so you actually plan to make a bunker xD, no problem then. Just remember that majesty can be absorbed, and toughness can be easily penetrated by 2h guns
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Bullet-proof Cape of the Addict (+5)
Armour
Defence: 2
Effects: REPUTATION +10, AGILITY +2, TOUGHNESS +44, STRENGTH -11, APPEARANCE -10, INTELLIGENCE -11
Requirements: LEVEL: 59, STRENGTH: 61, AGILITY: 20
Value: 51 300 Lgo
Value: Nanites 202, Mana 712 |
remember to get enough:
- strength to wear all these armors,
- apperance to wear jewellery(titanium doesn't give you any extra). |
Which is EXACTLY what i said in my previous post..
havnt thought about it
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Oh, so you actually plan to make a bunker xD, no problem then. Just remember that majesty can be absorbed, and toughness can be easily penetrated by 2h guns
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Bullet-proof Cape of the Addict (+5)
Armour
Defence: 2
Effects: REPUTATION +10, AGILITY +2, TOUGHNESS +44, STRENGTH -11, APPEARANCE -10, INTELLIGENCE -11
Requirements: LEVEL: 59, STRENGTH: 61, AGILITY: 20
Value: 51 300 Lgo
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remember to get enough:
- strength to wear all these armors(if this cape requires 61, and reduces it by 11, you'll need to have 72 before equiping it),
- apperance to wear jewellery(titanium doesn't give you any extra). |
Wasnt talking about requirements in the first place, i know what ill need.
Snipers ignore defence not toughness
@ Flash, totally missed one of your posts so sorry for raging
@ Flash again, Bulletproof of xxx set and a Tit of Auth could make quite a nice combo and wouldnt be to unattainable
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Sniper tatoo:
Squad Leader CLOSE
Level: 4
Effects: ignores 15 % of your opponent`s defence
Requirements: helmet defence max 40, armour defence max 90, pants defence max 40
assasin tatoo:
Deadly precision
LEVEL 1: 1000 PoP, 1 bloodstone
Traits: ignores 4 % of opponent's defence
Good Hunting rifle (+5) CLOSE
Two-handed gun
Damage: 39 - 49
Effects: PERCEPTION +16, attacks per round: 3, chance for critical hit +42 %, ignores 40 % of your opponent`s defence
Requirements: LEVEL: 47, STRENGTH: 38, AGILITY: 54 (55), PERCEPTION: 49 (50), INTELLIGENCE: 49, KNOWLEDGE: 50 (51)
Value: 7 050 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1719, Mana 380
Legendary Good Flame thrower CLOSE
Two-handed gun
Damage: 32 - 67
Effects: Chance to hit -20, attacks per round: 2, chance for critical hit +74 %, ignores 100 % of your opponent`s defence, overall weapon damage +20 %
Requirements: LEVEL: 62 (63), STRENGTH: 51 (52), AGILITY: 32, PERCEPTION: 38, INTELLIGENCE: 55 (56), KNOWLEDGE: 49, Your character must be in act: 2
Value: 117 000 Lgo
Value: Nanites 2816, Mana 547
Good Shotgun CLOSE
Two-handed gun
Damage: 45 - 91
Effects: Chance to hit +20, attacks per round: 2, chance for critical hit +37 %, ignores 50 % of your opponent`s defence
Requirements: LEVEL: 58 (59), STRENGTH: 51 (52), AGILITY: 27, PERCEPTION: 42, INTELLIGENCE: 28, KNOWLEDGE: 49
Value: 61 950 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1911, Mana 366
Good Sniper rifle (+1) CLOSE
Two-handed gun
Damage: 78 - 81
Effects: PERCEPTION +13, AGILITY -7, chance for critical hit +78 %, ignores 100 % of your opponent`s defence
Requirements: LEVEL: 48, STRENGTH: 35, AGILITY: 50 (51), PERCEPTION: 52 (53), INTELLIGENCE: 47, KNOWLEDGE: 49
Value: 21 600 Lgo
Value: Nanites 1660, Mana 332
and since guns damage is reduced by half of targets toughness this stuff means there are weapons that further reduce it
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Oh, so you actually plan to make a bunker xD, no problem then. Just remember that majesty can be absorbed, and toughness can be easily penetrated by 2h guns
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Bullet-proof Cape of the Addict (+5)
Armour
Defence: 2
Effects: REPUTATION +10, AGILITY +2, TOUGHNESS +44, STRENGTH -11, APPEARANCE -10, INTELLIGENCE -11
Requirements: LEVEL: 59, STRENGTH: 61, AGILITY: 20
Value: 51 300 Lgo
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remember to get enough:
- strength to wear all these armors(if this cape requires 61, and reduces it by 11, you'll need to have 72 before equiping it),
- apperance to wear jewellery(titanium doesn't give you any extra). |
Wasnt talking about requirements in the first place, i know what ill need.
Snipers ignore defence not toughness
@ Flash, totally missed one of your posts so sorry for raging
@ Flash again, Bulletproof of xxx set and a Tit of Auth could make quite a nice combo and wouldnt be to unattainable |
Exactamundo.
Titanium gives strength which is good, it also gives defence with charisma
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