 Attack Sieges |
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
 |
|
I think this has been talked about, but a loong loong time ago!!!
Why are u limited to one offensive siege???
In realistic terms, you should only be able to do 1 defensive siege at a time and as many offensive sieges as you have players!!!
Like if an empire has a million men, and wants to take 4 castles, they dont send everyone at 1 at a time, you go all alexander the great style, and split your forces and try to take em all in one push!!!
So shouldnt you be able to do at the least, 2 or 3 attack sieges???
And if not, Why??
Thank Shoes!!!
=DD
__________________
|
|
08-15-2008 19:08 |
![AIM Screen Name of DemonDude: [= Nope =]](gfx/en/aim.gif "AIM Screen Name of DemonDude: [= Nope =]")
![YIM Account Name of DemonDude: [= Dont use this either =]](gfx/en/yim.gif "YIM Account Name of DemonDude: [= Dont use this either =]")
|
|
bobalob57
Viking
Registration Date: 12-16-2007
Posts: 505
Location: uk, cheshire
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: NIGHT
|
|
do you mean per person or per clan?
if per person then this would nt make sence as you woudnt be able to 'travel' to each one.
if per clan than thats because this rule was probably implabted to stop everyone having a seige, so in a clan of 30 there would be 30 seiges. this could create a lot of lag [not sure] and due to not being able to do anything in stage 2 of a seige than you woudnt be doing much on bloodwars. also honour would change hands and be created and destroyed so much that it would be hatd to be able to do expos in which to use it.
the loss of recourses in poh seiges could also be devistating. blood especially would return to the post old market state and the situation would become even more desperate.
i dont think the ability to have more than one attack seige at the same time will happen
|
|
|
08-15-2008 19:16 |
|
|
Evangelion
The warning machine
Registration Date: 03-01-2007
Posts: 1,131
Location: Poland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: BoS
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by DemonDude
Why are u limited to one offensive siege???
In realistic terms, you should only be able to do 1 defensive siege at a time and as many offensive sieges as you have players!!! |
Let's take a look at BoS. 25 players = 25 sieges. Let's say every BoS member sieges a weak clan and is able to kill everyone by going solo. This way every BoS member gets enormous amounts of resources in one day. Would that be fair? Right now every clan is forced to think about every siege because they can make only one per day (or two if someone likes to get up very early).
1 defensive siege? Let's imagine a situation:
An army is marching towards a castle because they want to take it over. They see an other army at the castle gates and say
"Damn, someone is already sieging this castle. We need to find ourselves a new target..."
Pretty hilarious, isn't it?
| quote: |
Originally posted by DemonDude
Like if an empire has a million men, and wants to take 4 castles, they dont send everyone at 1 at a time, you go all alexander the great style, and split your forces and try to take em all in one push!!! |
Following your suggestion, this empire can siege a million castles at the same time.
Doesn't sound realistic in my opinion 
__________________
All complaints on all the Moderators should be sent to me via 
PM rules = who is who and what may be reported to whom
"Getting old is mandatory... being mature is optional"
|
|
|
08-15-2008 19:59 |
|
|
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
Thread Starter 
|
|
lol, evan u are soo rong!!!!
So u think that another army that sees people siegeing a caste are guna what?? Wait for the siege to finish?? Join in???
Lets go back a stage, an army sieges a castle, they must want something!!! Another army comes up behind it, what do u do????
Even if a messenger says that your kuming, who the hell is guna go 'Oh, ok then, lets not prepare to fight these guys who could posable be a relief force!!!!'
And no, read the bottom, i did say 2 or 3!!!!! Evan should of noticed that!!! All i was saying is that it is 'possable' for one vamp to do it as he takes along a loada bodyguards with him (cezars could take on my clan alone for example)
And no again evan, i did not say that they are going to siege a million places, it was an examplerary number!!!!
Lets say persia, had bigger empire than everyone surounding it, they forced their way out north south east and west!!! They took everything!!!!
Then alexander the great fought back!!! He took city by city, and then had to use tactical might to split his forces up by more than 10 percent each way fighting on many different fronts!!! And he came through!!! (so he had 10 armies with 10% of his max force in each)
AGAIN, im not saying 1 per member, im just saying that you should, in whatever way you look at it, be able to do more than one!!! Like 2 or 3!!!!!
(sori, i dont like it when people dont read what i say lol, if i spoke harsh, im sorri)
=DD
__________________
|
|
|
08-15-2008 22:04 |
|
|
icecold
Triple Ace
Registration Date: 05-10-2008
Posts: 159
|
|
in a siege u don't have use of ur buildings so it's a silly thing to say about the bodygaurds
__________________
icecold
Demon Lord is my tattoo and will show it can b used succesfully
|
|
|
08-15-2008 22:18 |
|
|
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
Thread Starter
|
|
Either way, what i said still goes, these aint people, their Vampires!!!
__________________
|
|
|
08-15-2008 22:28 |
|
|
Yrgwillion
Junior Member
Registration Date: 06-06-2008
Posts: 21
Race in game: Absorber
|
|
But wouldn't you consider Alexanders actions an act of desperation? He came with a much smaller army against an overwhelming force, I do doubt that he had 10% of his complete army in each unit. I suspect that he made a few fast moving, small units to pull off part off the mightiest army in the world, only fighting where he controlled the ground.
So in this case the example doesn't quite match the proposal. What you are suggesting is a greater force splitting into alot of smaller forces to take out those weaker than them, effectivly farming all the lower clans at once.
The biggest drawback I can see with this would be that it would wreck the balance there is, since the higher clans could kill off all the smaller ones in one go. Besides, if you are going for realism it would mean that you are leaving your square undefended everytime you siege somebody else so you shouldn't be able to defend it against attacks. Possibly having a few guards staying there while you are away with your mainforce.
|
|
|
08-15-2008 23:04 |
|
|
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
Thread Starter
|
|
Well, everyone can join in a siege as it is, so your square is left undefeded!!!
Also, yep, dude your wrong!!!
First, his troopes werent better!!!! Less training and combat time!!! But better equiped!!! (dosnt mean squat when the sky is literally darkened by a million arrows)
Also, he DID divide his force up by 10% into each troup!!! Then he got mercenaries and conscripts, to fill the blanks, leaving behind shadpw garrisons with every taken city!!!
And he never controlled the ground per say as he was always on enemy ground!!!
It took monthes for supplies & homeland reinforcements to catch up to them mid way!!!
And being able to do 2/3 offense sieges wouldnt unbalence things that much as the smaller clans can do it as well and get honor fast aswell!!! =D
The time limit can change tho.. maybe 3 expos per clan every 2 days or somthing??? So you have to plan them carefully and strategically (the way it really should be done)
=D
__________________
|
|
|
08-15-2008 23:15 |
|
|
Raxis
Set Abominae
Registration Date: 12-12-2007
Posts: 1,168
Race in game: Beastmaster
|
|
Alright Demondude. How owuldyou get from A to B in the space of two seconds, say sieges were cast simultaneously.
It'd be unfair on lower ranked clans, as they have said about BoS, Diablo can probably take many of the lower ranked clans alone (Using an eample) take enough damage and gain masses of PoH from one clan, same with Blodsugare, it just wouldn't be fair, nor realistic.
Alexander the great was a military genius, and even then he came a cropper, leave the siege balance as is
__________________
Create the infinite and expand the question.
Count to number seven.
Your day of rest creates infection,
Your imperfection.
|
|
|
08-16-2008 01:20 |
|
|
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
Thread Starter
|
|
When the hell as diablos clan ever sieged a smaller clan???
Ive never been sieged by them, and if they ever do, its for blood, which they never have done!!!!
Why are you all worrying about being bullied so much???
Although, in all fairness, i do understand how it would create unbalence in the game!!! But u just need to cap it.. like 3 attack sieges at 1 time!!!
What is rong with that???
If im being sieged by the same clan 3 times and then they leave us alone to get more blood.. i dont complain.. if im sieged by them 3 times over the corse of a week, i dont complain!!!
In BWs, you get sieged!!!!!
__________________
|
|
|
08-16-2008 02:10 |
|
|
Raxis
Set Abominae
Registration Date: 12-12-2007
Posts: 1,168
Race in game: Beastmaster
|
|
| quote: |
What is rong with that???
|
An awful lot is wrong with it. Unless players can only be in one siege at a time. but then it would create an imbalnace because the lower clans would never have blood, ever. BoS members are fvery strong, and they could take weaker clans on singlely in an attempt to gain PoH and Resources galore.
I think this is a very mis-construed idea, and shouldn't even be considered, but that is my opinion
__________________
Create the infinite and expand the question.
Count to number seven.
Your day of rest creates infection,
Your imperfection.
|
|
|
08-16-2008 02:43 |
|
|
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
Thread Starter
|
|
3 at a time, maybe 2
1 person to a O.siege (duh)
2 is better than 1 and wont unbalence to much!!!
__________________
|
|
|
08-16-2008 02:47 |
|
|
Raxis
Set Abominae
Registration Date: 12-12-2007
Posts: 1,168
Race in game: Beastmaster
|
|
Leave it how it is. I think the siege balance is just right. It makes you really have to think about who you are sieging
__________________
Create the infinite and expand the question.
Count to number seven.
Your day of rest creates infection,
Your imperfection.
|
|
|
08-16-2008 02:56 |
|
|
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
Thread Starter
|
|
There is no balence in Underworld!!!
Its this
'Its ok, lets not make it better'
attitude why we are still behind the other servers!!!!
__________________
|
|
|
08-16-2008 03:07 |
|
|
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
Thread Starter
|
|
I dont care about this much any more!!! The AK thing is really annoying me now!!!
Race?? No, are we behind??? Yes!!!!! Think your answers through!!! 'I expect more from u' Quoting u there!!!!
And its your own fault for not having honor!!!! We set up honor sieges so that expos were going on every day and for the most part, they were!!!
And very reguraly, we had 2-3 a day for a few days in a row, then we start doing sum sieges and share the honor about the clan!!!!
You cant blame other clans for you not having honor!!!!
Isnt it spelt Honour?? Is no U the american way?? I no they do the Color thing without the U (which is also the amerikan way)
=D
__________________
|
|
|
08-16-2008 03:25 |
|
|
Evangelion
The warning machine
Registration Date: 03-01-2007
Posts: 1,131
Location: Poland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: BoS
|
|
| quote: |
Originally posted by DemonDude
AGAIN, im not saying 1 per member, im just saying that you should, in whatever way you look at it, be able to do more than one!!! Like 2 or 3!!!!! |
| quote: |
Originally posted by DemonDude
In realistic terms, you should only be able to do 1 defensive siege at a time and as many offensive sieges as you have players!!! |
Did I miss something between the lines or what??
And let's take a look at the technical aspect of your proposal. Right now a player can join every siege during its 1st phase. If there were more than one offensive siege then that would mean one player can attack 2-3 castles at the same time...
To implement a limit on joining offensive sieges would mean rewriting the siege scripts, that takes time and money...
__________________
All complaints on all the Moderators should be sent to me via
PM rules = who is who and what may be reported to whom
"Getting old is mandatory... being mature is optional"
|
|
|
08-16-2008 11:43 |
|
|
DemonDude
Lord
Registration Date: 06-20-2008
Posts: 264
Location: N. Ireland
Race in game: Absorber
Clan: TIG
Thread Starter
|
|
Hmmm i suppose!!!
Sorri i fought so much last night, i was about to fall asleep and was all angri lol
Sorri Evangelion!!!
=DD
__________________
|
|
|
08-16-2008 12:21 |
|
|
Artoir.
Avenger
Registration Date: 02-24-2008
Posts: 1,111
Location: Ireland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: V13
|
|
Demondude and co. thankyou for that wonderful history lesson, but the fact of the matter is, if you're going to post in the Game System said your posts should be relevant.
Persians, Greeks, etc, aside. Evan is right, on top of the fact that the siege limit is there to protect weaker clans, there are far more pressing issues in this game than minor ailments with a weapon or completely rewriting scripts for a large part of the game, that simply dont need to be rewritten.
Alot of your posts seem to be based on real life straight forward logic. You're playing as a VAMPIRE in the FUTURE . Of course real life logic doesn't apply.
__________________
|
|
|
08-18-2008 04:12 |
|
|
Evangelion
The warning machine
Registration Date: 03-01-2007
Posts: 1,131
Location: Poland
Race in game: Beastmaster
Clan: BoS
|
|
|
|
08-18-2008 08:37 |
|
|
|
